Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[Grumage]

Dear Enjoykin.

Thank you sir.

Dear Chet.

Methinks the plot thickens!!   

Here is a copy and paste of my post at OUR.  Perhaps there might be someone here who could replicate my findings ?

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Can anyone pick up the gauntlet from me ?

I have just finished an experiment injecting the rod 8 M away with a Sinus wave and looking at the signal at the closest rod.  I saw no unusual signal until the 1 mhz frequency where the received signal appeared to be larger than the applied one.

Unfortunately my FG maxes at 1.6 mhz. I wonder if anyone can push this boundary to see if the effect is both valid and maybe even increases the received signal ?

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Cheers Grum.

[MileHigh]

Excellent experiment of your son Grum.

What made voltage rising was Scalar electromagnetic filed. H* = - div A.

In two simple words - longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground.

What scalar waves are ?? Kind of preassure waves which make deformation (gradient) of electric potential lines at ground and rod. Remember original Tesla picture from 1900th with air pump pumping earth balloon.

Reg.
Enjoykin !!

Why always indulge in your fantasies?  There are no "longitudinal scalar waves running through the rod and ground" because if that was true we would have heard about it a long time ago.

There is an explanation, but "pushing your fantasies" into the explanation is not it.

Grum said that both rods are the same material.  So that rules out standard galvanic corrosion.  However, there could be very thin coatings on those rods that are a result of the manufacturing process.  Those coatings may undergo some kind of electrochemical reaction and if there is an uneven distribution of the coatings on both rods that might explain it.  Since the ground is teeming with life, and life is electrochemical in nature, that might explain it.  One rod could be in an area with more active life processes than the other.

Have you ever noticed that just moving the tips of your multimeter probes across a metallic surface can show different voltages?  It's possible that just a bit of finger grease between the tip of one probe and the metal surface that the probe tip is touching sets up an super tiny electrochemical battery that only lasts 30 seconds.

Just the life processes in the earth, the bacteria, the respiration and all of the other life-based chemical reactions, may generate the voltage observed.  That also includes the decaying of organic matter.

The truth is I have no idea what causes the voltages that Grum observed.  It could be due to telluric currents, but my gut instinct is telling me that that is not the case.  I believe the observed voltages are way too high for that.  Telluric currents are solar power in action, by the way.

What I am feeling is that it would not be an easy search, and it may take an hour or more to find the real reason.  I am not willing to invest the energy in that.

What I can tell you is that for all my life when playing with a digital multimeter set on DC voltage, and you are just casually playing with the probes, you almost never see the display show zero volts when the multimeter is set to the most sensitive setting.  Why is that?  There is an explanation for that also, and I don't know precisely what it is.

One thing I know is just thermal heat, we are in a sea of thermal heat because we are above absolute zero, that heat creates white electrical AC noise - "white noise."  There is white electrical noise everywhere because we are above absolute zero.  There is "sky noise temperature" but don't ask me to define it because I learned it a generation ago in school.

I can tell you two things:

1.  You don't know why Grum is getting the voltage measurement just like I don't know why.
2.  It's NOT because of your "longitudinal scalar waves" fantasy.

You want to be a researcher with EMJunkie?  Did you see how silly you both looked referencing that "paper" on the other thread?

If you are a researcher you do not make assumptions to confirm your own bias and fantasies, NEVER.

Please take my advice seriously.  Electronics is not a bunch of brightly coloured jellybeans for you to eat.

MileHigh

[ramset]

Grumage
I think a better path would be to get you the equipment to do these experiments.
or perhaps get some method to run up the scale from another cheap method {pc driven??]

Perhaps MH or some one familiar can make a suggestion ?

[MileHigh]

Grum:

If you are going to continue with your voltage from the ground experiments, I have a suggestion for you.

When people measure voltages like this, they rarely attempt to measure the output impedance of the voltage source.  There is more information to ponder once you make a measurement of the output impedance.

You know that a typical multimeter has an input impedance of one megaohm.  We will assume to keep it simple that that is high enough to not affect your voltage measurements.  In reality, the impedance of a voltage source from two rods in the earth may be so high that the multimeter will affect the voltage measurement.  But like I said, let's simply ignore that for now.

To make the measurement:

Suppose you measure 0.2 volts DC from your rods in the ground.

Then let's say you put a 100K ohm resistor across that output voltage and your measurement drops to 0.1 volts.

That's it, you now know that the output impedance of the voltage source you are measuring is 100K ohm.

The trick is to just find the value of resistor that drops your voltage measurement by half.  That resistor value is equal to the output impedance of your voltage source.

Why is it interesting?  You might find short rods in dry earth give you an output impedance of 100K ohm, and longer rods in wet earth give you an output impedance of 30K ohm.

I am just making up numbers out of thin air.

What is the output impedance of an alkaline AA cell?   Not sure, it might be two or three ohms.

What is the output impedance of a fresh car battery?  Probably somewhere around 0.001 ohms.

It's all part of the exploration process.  Quoting voltage and output impedance is five times more interesting than quoting voltage alone.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Also, the pH of the ground where one rod is located may be different from the pH of the ground where the other rod is located.  pH is all about electro-chemistry and the ability of a given concentration of base/acid to corrode a given type of metal, among other things.  It's not unreasonable to guess that the pH of the soil in one location is different than the pH of the soil in a location five meters away.  That could explain the DC voltage measurement.

I am just guessing again.