Energy from the Ground - Self powered generator by Barbosa and Leal

[MileHigh]

You guys should aspire to be like Tinman and Farmhand, two gentlemen that have really come up over the years and they are great role models and they can really hold their own.  Tinman can be a bit stubborn and stick to his guns sometimes.  The important point is the willingness to learn and the willingness to debate.  I hope that he is not offended by my comments.

I will take the liberty of quoting Farmhand from OUR:

I can show you 400 amps with only about 8 to 10 watts input. But the 400 amps isn't output is it ? If it was it would be associated with voltage and power value, the 400 amps is just a measured value in the setup. If anyone puts a couple of turns of thick wire around a toroid that has a 220 to 240 volt primary winding on it they can also see some 400 amps or so of current on the wire. It doesn't mean anything. The output power or the energy dissipated in/from the load compared to the input power is what matters. 400 amps so what ? What of it ? What was the load and what was the voltage across the load ? Not to mention those things is leading people up the path.

That's what some of you guys should have been saying yourselves today.

And I am going to be honest and state that you don't want to be like EMJunkie or AllCanadian.  I am not saying that they are bad people, but they lead themselves down garden paths and/or refuse to believe in straightforward, well understood stuff.  EMJunkie is all over the map and believes in whackadoo stuff.  I am sure many of you have been reading his thread.

I have been harshly judged myself.  So I am just giving you my opinions in a similar vein - but without the Tabasco sauce, both good and bad.  I am not trying to pick fights or anything like that.  I am just giving you my views.

I have a real issue with blind believers, and that is always a problematic issue on the forums.  Chet falls into that category also.

Look at what Chet said:

Speaking of Zero Milehigh.
that's about how much experience you have looking for ways to harvest energy from
the ground.

My money is on the experimenters finding something long before the fellows that don't even look.

This is just irrational blind belief.  It's like saying, "We don't know if blue cheese grows in sewer culverts.  So this coming weekend we are getting a group together to go and find out."

There is no "energy in the ground" and you don't have to be an Einstein to use your wits to figure that out all by yourselves.  And of course we are talking about "energy in the ground" like we are talking about it here in this thread.

I am not making this posting to start a brawl.  Just giving you things as I see them.  It doesn't mean that there are not any more possible discoveries or innovations, it just means that you can't get energy from dirt.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Clarence flubbed in his discussion of microwave oven power and nobody caught it or said anything.  Not to mention that he didn't give any real numbers to the best of my recollection.

He said something like he "likes 30% power, but doesn't like 100% power because things brown too quickly."

Microwave ovens are duty-cycle based devices.  They are either ON or OFF.  30% power simply means that it is on and cooking 30% of the time.

When it is OFF, there is just the overhead for the electronic controller guts, the light, and the turntable motor.  It might total something between 15 and 25 watts.

When it is ON, you have the overhead, plus the magnetron power.

If the microwave is rated at 700 watts power, only when the cavity has a big wet load, like a chicken, would the magnetron draw around 700 watts.  If there is very little in the oven cavity, then it might only draw 300 or 400 watts.  I am really not sure, these are just guidelines.  The important thing is to develop the _feel_.  I am basing my numbers by feeling/listening to the microwave groan ON and groan OFF while in operation with different loads in the microwave cavity.

If you are going to be a successful and time efficient free energy experimenter, then you have to develop a gut feel for power.  It's a great BS detector also.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

And I bet a lot of you that bitch and whine about me actually "secretly" want to read me, perhaps some of you are even serious and avid readers.  Part of that is because a big "let's always agree with each other" club gets boring pretty damn fast.

Endless discussions of the mechanics of how to build a hypothetical Clarence setup with not a single shred of evidence that it even works first is silly, and farking boring.  Not to mention I called you guys out because you were "skipping" trying to probe Clarence about how it actually works first.  And some of you may have been in denial, claiming that you were having a valid productive discussion when you weren't.  What's the point of talking about how to build something when you don't even know how it allegedly works. Some of you may try to claim that you were having a technical discussion with Clarence.  I call bullshit, you were having nothing more than an anecdotal technical discussion with Clarence with only skimpy, vague details. Did any of you ask him where to put a pair of multimeter probes to verify "the effect."  I am willing to bet you the answer is no.  From multiple sources now, including me, you have been told that Clarence is not capable of having a legitimate technical discussion.

When somebody disagrees for a valid reason and starts a real debate, then it gets interesting - admit it.

[TinselKoala]

Recent post from Dragon:

2 Turns, 1/0 gauge, watt meter on the inverter.  Xantrex prowatt SW 600. Lets see, aprox 1 ft of 1/0 on the torroid and 16 ft of 1/0 on the coil form making 8 turns.   400 amp reading on the 1ft 2 turn shorted, With the 8 turn connected to the secondary a 50 amp reading on the wire, 50 amps x 8 turns = 400 Amp/T

I don't understand the trivial questions.... ?

Anybody see a problem with that statement?


Oh, and he's now saying that the capacitor is 50uF not 8uF.

[Farmhand]

Yes. And you're right about not being able to do it with 8 Watts, I need more than that to get near the 100 and sumpthin amps I got with some 8 mm diameter cable. But 50 amps now that sounds more like it, not so difficult to do. I simply used a variac to run a regular 240 to 12 volt step down transformer with 2 turns of the 8 mm cable but I didn't note the current in the shorted loop in that experiment as the demo I did with some 2 mm auto wire showed the same result but with more heating and input.

I've tested the B&L setup myself with both 240 from the grid and with the step down to a low voltage setup with a grounded neutral after a isolation transformer, and both setups showed nothing not expected by conventional thinking.

As well as that neither arrangement can be used when a properly fitted RCD/GFI is in place. I tripped my inline RCD once then the second time I tripped both my inline RCD and the one on the utility meter board once as well while trying the setup, the second time the house power was interrupted and I upset everyone as they were being programmed by the TV at the time.

So for me it just reeks of stealing power by fooling meter and/or using the high amp reading on the shorted loop to bamboozle people into thinking there is free energy from the setup.

And it is illegal to bypass the RCD in Australia for good reason
Not that I would even consider bypassing the RCD on the utility meter board anyway, that would be silly.

Clarence admitted he charges his battery so it's all done and dusted as I see it. He was misleading people.

He has a good Earth ground stake array now maybe he will use it for a crystal radio or regular radio transmitter/receiver ground one day.

Imagine how hard B&L would be laughing if they knew the trouble Clarence went to on the basis of their bogus claims.

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