Rosemary Ainslie Quantum Magazine Circuit COP > 17 Claims

[TinselKoala]

MH:

But what happens when she heats that water to 104 degrees C?  I mean, she claims to have done that before.  This tells me that her temperature measurement skills are no better than her electronics skills.  Therefore, I would doubt any results she obtained from the experiments you, and others, have suggested.

I also do not see the need for such large batteries, and so many of them.  It would take a very long time to run down the control set.  A charged supercap should be used instead making it a matter of hours for the control to be performed, not days, weeks or months.

Of course, then she will claim that part of the "magic" in her circuit is in the batteries themselves and removing them would change the results.  I think we should not expect her to perform any tests or experiments of a scientific nature, or we will be waiting a loooong time.

Bill

Several points, Bill. By Ainslie's own admission, in forum and blog posts that I have displayed before....

Actually, Ainslie and her mob never actually measured the actual water temperature. Actually. What they "actually" measured was some combination of element and water temperature, since the thermocouple is attached directly to the element housing metal.

Furthermore, the 700 or 800 milliliters of water (her accounts vary)  wasn't actually boiling , at any time in Ainslie's trials, even at the cited temperature of 104 degrees. "There were small bubbles" at the hot element where she immersed it.

Note that the blog report, made on or about the day of the actual trial, uses very different language than is used in the "paper 1" description of the same trial. "Wasn't actually boiling" becomes "takes water to boil". "We never measured the temperature of the water" becomes "the water temperature was...."  and so on.

[minnie]

Hi,
   trouble is these folk won't do a simple test because they can't. Instead of using a huge
amount of stored energy in the form of a bank of massive lead batteries why not use
something like 2ah. cells. If they're not draining the batteries the small cells should last
for days. I'll bet they wouldn't though!
                             John.

[MarkE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIANNRpl6FA

(posted on July 13, 2012)

The same technique can be applied to the much higher-frequency circuit that is currently in Ainslie's "box". Inverter gates can be daisy-chained with little propagation delay, so one can have both inverted and noninverted outputs simultaneously depending on how many inverter gates you use. For higher speed and low power use one might choose a different inverter than the 4049.

The CD4049 works fine for that with the only limitations the asymmetric drive strength and limit to about 5V operation.  What a lot of people don't realize is that another 555 can be used to make an inverter that has the same high drive strength and wide supply voltage range that make the 555 a very useful part.  I've shown an example here that can produce the stated Quantum Magazine timing very precisely. 

The second 555 acts like an inverter with input hysteresis of Vcc/3.   When the input voltage exceeds the pin 6 threshold value of Vcc * 2/3, the 555's internal latch clears, and the output goes low.  The discharge pin also conducts which can be useful in some cases.  When the input signal falls below the pin 2 trigger value of Vcc * 1/3, the 555's internal latch sets, and the output goes high.  CMOS 555's have propagation delays of about 100ns, and rise and fall times of about 150ns.  With the addition of two resistors, this circuit can be used to take a logic level input.  Just connect a voltage divider of R/2R resistors from the logic power supply to the pin 5, control voltage input.  For example with a CMOS 555 use  5K to the logic supply and 10K to ground.  The switching thresholds will be 2/3 of the logic supply for high to low, and 1/3 of the logic supply for low to high.

[TinselKoala]

Sure.

There is an even easier way to "fix" the duty cycle issue in the exact Quantum 17 circuit, though. You will note that in the original circuit the 555 clock is powered by its own battery. This makes the duty cycle invertible by the use of the Secret of DPDT.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVePUJJVAlc   (September 7, 2013)

[MarkE]

Hi,
   trouble is these folk won't do a simple test because they can't. Instead of using a huge
amount of stored energy in the form of a bank of massive lead batteries why not use
something like 2ah. cells. If they're not draining the batteries the small cells should last
for days. I'll bet they wouldn't though!
                             John.

John lead acid batteries are low rate devices.  They will wear out quickly if you charge or discharge them in less than 10 hours.  Going to smaller batteries would just restrict them to lower powers or expose the batteries to damage.

Other cells like NiCd, NiMH, or most Li-Ion can handle charging and discharging in an hour without degradation.  I don't recall seeing anything her theory that Ms. Ainslie says is so important that depends on a lead acid cell.  An additional advantage of going from lead acid to Li-Ion would be that the charging efficiency of Li-Ion is much better than lead acid.  Decent Li-Ion batteries can be purchased for $1.00/W or less.  A 20Wh - 40Wh battery would be plenty for the sorts of experiments they were doing.