Overunity (what is it?)

[profitis]

aha @farmhand.it seems that its a matter of wording as you say.for example cold fusion is a type of energy that is triggered by a 2nd law thermodynamics violation but then self-sustains on nuclear disintergration so its a hybrid natural resource/overunity combo that would require a more technical definition.the way to exclude natural resources completely necessitates a definition that covers a violation of either or both the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics strictly speaking so we need words like this: overunity is a physical violation of either the 1st or 2nd law thermodynamics,period.natural resources mustnt fall under any overunity banner and must be totaly excluded from the above definition.unknown energy sources must also be put in a seperate 'unknown' category and incubate until we know for certain if its  1)true overunity ie. a violation of either or both the 1st and 2nd laws thermodynamics or 2)a hybrid true overunity/natural resource e.g.cold fusion or 3)total natural resource.

[Mr Summitville]

I have been searching for the definition of Over-Unity.
I just read a completely different thread on this site that went nowhere.
Now I read this thread and still no consensus.
I always related Over-Unity to efficiency.
Maybe that is wrong?
It appears to me that many think that
Over-Unity is equivalent to COP and not efficiency.

Where ...
COP =  Output Energy / Only Human Input Energy
Efficiency = Output Energy / Total Input Energy

And since C.O.P can be > 1 then man-made devices can be Over-Unity.
What is the agreed upon definition of "Over-Unity" at www.overunity.com?
Or is there no consensus, yet?

Or maybe just use the terms COP and Efficiency since they are clearly defined?

[profitis]

Wikipedia's definition for perpetuum mobilum is about as good as it gets.

[Mr Summitville]

Wikipedia's definition for perpetuum mobilum is about as good as it gets.

Profitis,
Are you stating the "consensus" definition of Over-Unity per this board is, in fact, the definition of "Perpetual Motion" on wikipedia?

[profitis]

It better be mr summitville.otherwize we are effectively nothing more than an efficiency research corp.