Self Running Motor Generator - for sale in 3 weeks

[romerouk]

Looks to me like it's based on the Bedini Watson motor of 1984, so it's patent free (if Bedini patented it).
Romero, do you have any plans to visit Romania in the near future?
Most of us would trust your opinion.
Thanks for posting the link.

Hi a.king21,

just came back from Romania not long ago and I might go again for Easter.
Where this guy lives is very far from my home there.
I have seen one of these in operation (not this one) and it did work but the generator part was modified and I don't know what exactly.
I have tried myself to see if it can be done but no good results so far, check here to see my attempts... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF8La5RaNWA

Regards,
Romero

[gotoluc]

Hi Luc

Where would this reactive power come from-the motor itself?

No, I think it is sent to the motor.

Here is the problem with reactive power.
In an AC motor, reactive power dosnt present a load to the motor,however it dose apply a load to a generator. As we need both a motor,and a generator to run the motor,we can asume in a best case scenario that the net gain would be 0. But as we have heat and resistances,then the reactive power output would be lower than the needed power to run the motor.

As I have suggested above, the permanent magnet alternator creates the power for the induction motor (prime mover). However, there is something between the two which converts the alternators power to reactive power so the induction motor (load) doesn't reflect back to the alternator. Interestingly I have mentioned this twice (in earlier posts) that there an unusual electrical component on this device and no one is saying anything.
As for the loses, I'm quite sure the alternator is a 3 phase 600vac and the induction motor is at most is one phase 220v and maybe even 120v. So even if there are loses the alternator voltage is many times higher and could compensate for it.

Another thing is,how would you collect this reactive power?,if reactive power is the power that flows between the inductive windings.If we place more windings between the inductive windings,and try to draw from them,then we get the lenz force effect-game over.

I have a small reactive circuit which I've been working on for some time now to study the effects of reactive power. At this time I can pull over 15 watts (resistive load) of power from it and it doesn't reflect back (Lenz free). So, I think it's possible to upscale this and that's why the unusual electrical component on Valy's device struck me.

Luc

[tinman]

No, I think it is sent to the motor.

As I have suggested above, the permanent magnet alternator creates the power for the induction motor (prime mover). However, there is something between the two which converts the alternators power to reactive power so the induction motor (load) doesn't reflect back to the alternator. Interestingly I have mentioned this twice (in earlier posts) that there an unusual electrical component on this device and no one is saying anything.
As for the loses, I'm quite sure the alternator is a 3 phase 600vac and the induction motor is at most is one phase 220v and maybe even 120v. So even if there are loses the alternator voltage is many times higher and could compensate for it.

I have a small reactive circuit which I've been working on for some time now to study the effects of reactive power. At this time I can pull over 15 watts (resistive load) of power from it and it doesn't reflect back (Lenz free). So, I think it's possible to upscale this and that's why the unusual electrical component on Valy's device struck me.

Luc

Quote: I have a small reactive circuit which I've been working on for some time now to study the effects of reactive power. At this time I can pull over 15 watts (resistive load) of power from it and it doesn't reflect back (Lenz free).

Mmm,careful on this one Luc,some one here will be all over this like a bad rash lol.
I too have a transformer that shows no reflection on the P/in when the output is loaded-BUT this is only with a resistive load on the output-same as your load. But when i place a resistive inductive load on the output,in way of an electric motor-all hell breaks loose. P/in go's ski high. This is something you should try with your setup,and see what happens to the P/in,as your reactive power will be driving a resistive/inductive load-in the form of the electric motor.

The other thing to take into concideration is-how much power are you consuming to create this 15 watts of reactive power?.

[romerouk]

the new red special box is a decoy, the real 'special box' is the blue Welder K100

[e2matrix]

Hi RomeroUK,   Thanks for jumping in here.   I am assuming you can speak Romanian as I recall you lived there before.   Maybe you could give this inventor a call if you can't visit him although a visit would be great.   I think if you got him on the phone with your knowledge you could get a good feel for what he has and if it's really valid.    Although I wouldn't trust his way of selling this I think he may have something valid.   I am guessing that his 'white box' is some sort of variable-frequency drive (VFD) controller commonly used with larger AC motors.