Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.

[synchro1]

@Milehigh,

My initial approach involved looping output back to source to accomplish a self runner and demonstrate the postulated overunity of the "Synchro Coil". Coradelektro is in charge of his experiment. The initial test merely involves the proof of concept of the output coil as I understand. You and TK mastermined a novel circuit on this thread, and I propose a provisional truce on the acrimonious "Neutral self inductance" issue related to the Tesla series bifilar coil.  

[conradelektro]

Conrad and Synchro1:

So my question to both of you is what do you plan on doing for testing?  This is something  that normally is left to the experimenter to do.  Often they simply make a clip with some tests and then the clip is discussed afterwards.  I am requesting that you discuss the testing in the tread before you make a clip.  Please let me know what your approximate test plan is.

Thanks,

MileHigh

@MileHigh: First, I am not claiming anything. I am just willing to do some tests. Thank you for taking an interest and I appreciate very much all advice you are willing to give. I am not an electronics specialist, I just like to build strange things, but my talents and my knowledge are limited.

I am intrigued by synchro1's claims and I am willing to spend some time on that. But I have no special relationship with synchro1 and if there is something to his ideas I give him full credit. All is his intellectual property, mine is just some non profit interest in strange claims. I think that synchro1 and I live on different continents and can not do anything together in reality besides exchanging ideas in this thread or by PM.

I can sit down at my computer during the holidays every now and then, but the "lab" is closed, so to speak.

Planned first test (please look at the attached drawing):

1) The magnet on the vertical axis will be driven by the depicted drive circuit. The power requirements of the drive circuit are known (approximately). The input Voltage from a laboratory power supply can be varied to achieve different turn speeds and different power demands (see the power requirement list on the drawing).

2) The "synchro coil" (only the empty bobbin case is available at the moment, the stack of ring magnets for the core is also available) will be placed by hand near the spinning magnet. Various positions can be tested by positioning the "synchro coil" by hand slowly nearer and farer from the spinning magnet.

3) The output of the synchro coil will be measure with the depicted "rectifier circuit" (scope or digital voltmeter). This should give some indication whether the output is in any way unexpected or strange (very high at a certain position of the synchro coil). It will be checked whether the synchro coil causes a strong reduction of the turn speed of the spinning magnet (may be at a certain distance the breaking effect will be stronger or weaker than expected).

I think that a video would not be of much help initially. Reporting my observations should be enough to get a first impression. I will do all tests suggested by others, as long as they are not too complicated and time consuming. All questions, comments and suggestions are welcome. I can also do videos in case there are interesting effects.

Much later, after some simple initial tests, I can try a loop back. But that will only make sense after we discover a unexpected high output of the "synchro coil".

Greetings, Conrad

[MileHigh]

Synchro1:

Attempting to loop is bypassing some more basic steps that should be done fist.

You probably saw where I said that magnets don't affect coils because they don't produce changing magnetic fields.  So if Conrad does some tests he could check for that.

Conrad:

Some suggestions:

Keep in mind you are checking a "new coil" configuration.  So the logical thing to do is to compare it with an air core coil and a coil with a normal unmagnetized ferromagnetic core.  If you don't have a ferromagnetic core you can use nails of course.

We know that the higher the permeability of the core the more magnetic flux will flow through it.  You know the relative permeability of air is one, and for your ferromagnetic core it's say greater than 500.  What about the stacked magnets?  Well in the case of the stacked magnets the magnetic domains are already "busy" and you assume that the relative permeability is quite low.  So before even making the measurements the presumption is that the possible output power will increase as you go from air core to the synchro core to the regular ferromagnetic core.

You notice the strategy is to compare something new and different with some other things that are similar.  When you do listening tests with audio speakers at a Big Box electronics store you switch back and forth between two sets of speakers.  They call that "A-B comparison testing."  So the same concept applies here.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Conrad:

For the FWBR output circuit there are technical issues for why it is less than perfect for this test.  It's a whole other discussion and if you want to know why I can explain in another posting.  So in addition to that test let me discuss another way of doing it for your consideration.

For starters, the basic idea is just to use a single resistor and not use an FWBR at all.  Then you simply look at the waveform on your scope and if your scope can measure true RMS voltage then you get an output power readout.  Or you can use a true-RMS multimeter.

An issue is the choice of the value of the load resistor.  This is very important because the choice of load resistor directly affects the output power going into the load resistor.

If you measure the resistance of your coil, and then use the same resistance value for the load resistor, then you will dissipate the maximum power in the load.  Note that the same amount of resistive power is being burned off in the coil itself.  So the "true" power output is arguably the coil resistive power plus the load resistor power.  When you measure one you know the value of the other.

This is actually the heart of your experiment:  You try air core, synchro core, and regular core for different values of load resistor.  You make your input power measurement going to the pulse motor and your output power measurement going into the load resistor or the (load resistor + the coil resistance) and compare.

You know that with a regular ferromagnetic core and using a load resistor that has the same resistance as your coil resistance, you should be extracting the maximum power from the spinning rotor.

Let's look at that from the point of view of the spinning rotor.   When the rotor sees this "maximum output power" coil configuration approaching it, it will experience the strongest Lenz drag possible.  There is a chance the power drain will overcome your pulse motor circuit and slow the rotor down a lot.  In most experiments the load resistor is too high in value and very little power is transferred into the load.  What you are trying to do when you chance the value of the load resistor is to make an impedance match between the spinning rotor magnet and the pickup coil.  Understanding the concept of impedance matching is of prime importance for understanding electronic and mechanical and other types of circuits.

So this is a study of different pickup coil configurations and how they output power into different values of load resistor.

Anyway, those are my suggestions for your consideration.

MileHigh

[synchro1]

To Whom It May Concern:

"Be it known that I, Daniel McFarland Cook, of Mansfield, in the county of Richland and State of Ohio, have invented an Electro-Magnetic Battery, of which the following is a specification: My invention relates to the combination of two or more simple or compound helices and iron cores or "MAGNETS" in such a manner as to produce a constant electric current without the aid of a galvanic battery".


Below are pictures of the Cook battery with iron cores. The "Synchro coil" is basically just a simple modified version of Cook's invention with a 1:1 instead of 32:16 wire gauge bifiilar. The radial magnetized rings were initially chosen for the 'Synchro coil" core merely because they were available. The "Synchro coil" will generate a small amount of current spontaneously. It's interesting to note, that Cook used a hairpin bifilar tank wrap, called a "compound helice" similar to Tesla's pancake coil, twenty three years before Tesla patented his Pancake! Here's a link to the full patent:


http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/CookCoil.htm


The unique feature of this kind of output coil is that all the power is generated from within the output coil itself! The "Flux field" of the magnet rotor excites the coil's magnet core, but the "Synchro coil's" magnet core generates the output power not the magnet rotor.