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Overunity Machines Forum



Self accelerating reed switch magnet spinner.

Started by synchro1, September 30, 2013, 01:47:45 PM

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synchro1


Here's a very simple Reed Switch Pulse Motor, from Igor, charging more than it consumes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWbtWofTjyc

TinselKoala

It does NOT "charge more than it consumes".

If it did, you could do this: when the run battery is depleted, swap with the charged battery and run again. Measure the charge on each battery each time. Keep doing this back and forth... and the _average charge level_ of the two batteries will increase, until the batteries fail from being overcharged.

But this doesn't happen. In reality the average charge level of the two batteries will decrease steadily until neither is able to run the motor. If you believe otherwise.... feel free to demonstrate.

synchro1


This circuit of Igor's is so blindingly simple, I feel I need to draw attention to it. Igor has merely two components in this self running circuit; A reed switch in series between the positive pole of the battery and the coil, and an LED collecting bemf from the coil and returning the back spike to the source battery! Take a close look at the schematic and listen to his explanation. This circuit is running very close to, if not right at unity!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWvI7T7h3tk


Igor maintains he ran this spinner for six hours with hardly any drop in input voltage. Maybe milli volts, unmeasurable with the scale on his multi meter. This is proof some kind of charge is looping it's way back to the source battery, and not completely dissipating in the diode as milehigh maintains.

synchro1

Quote from: TinselKoala on January 21, 2014, 02:37:29 PM
It does NOT "charge more than it consumes".

If it did, you could do this: when the run battery is depleted, swap with the charged battery and run again. Measure the charge on each battery each time. Keep doing this back and forth... and the _average charge level_ of the two batteries will increase, until the batteries fail from being overcharged.

But this doesn't happen. In reality the average charge level of the two batteries will decrease steadily until neither is able to run the motor. If you believe otherwise.... feel free to demonstrate.


The topic of this thread is a self accelerating reed switch spinner, not a self charging one. I'm examining an even simpler circuit with merely one component. It appears that some amount of current is making it's way back to the source battery through Igor's diode. In my set up, I believe the bemf is somehow feeding back to the pulse coil alone, to augment the existing pulse before it has a chance to get to the battery, and self accelerating the rotor.    


Let's be patient and wait for Igor's next video where he plans to mate a partner to his reed switch LED looper, and see if he succeeds in achieving a self runner. John Bedini points out that pulsing directly back to the source battery can cause problems by encountering a blocking resistance caused by the input pulse coming from the opposite direction. Igor's next model may get around that by staggering the back spike to the charge/ power batteries.  

MileHigh

Synchro1:

QuoteThis circuit of Igor's is so blindingly simple, I feel I need to draw attention to it. Igor has merely two components in this self running circuit; A reed switch in series between the positive pole of the battery and the coil, and an LED collecting bemf from the coil and returning the back spike to the source battery! Take a close look at the schematic and listen to his explanation. This circuit is running very close to, if not right at unity!

That Igor clip unfortunately is a total bust.  No self running visible.  He thinks that the current is reversing and that's not the case.  It's a really bad mistake.  The LED lights up.  So either he has it backwards in his schematic or the LED really does light up when it gets a "coil fry" when the coil pushes current through the reversed-biased LED.  There is no battery recharging at all during the cycle, only discharging.

If you link to a clip that shows a serious attempt to show OU I will let you know.  That means they have to make real measurements, not just play "show and tell."

MileHigh