Building a self looping "SMOT"

[tinman]

Quote MH: Tinman said that it's all just textbooks.  I didn't open up a single textbook.  I just looked at the setup and did an evaluation of what was going on to the best of my ability.  I did not hear any substantial counterarguments to what I had to say.

I to had no reply from you or TK ,in reguards to a steel ball being repelled by a magnetic field-that was my counter argument.
So how is it that a magnetic field can repel ferromagnetic materials?
Where in the text books dose it show you how to do that?
This i discovered through my own experiments,not through any text book.

@TK
Your magnetic wind tunnels you speak of,are something we have been useing for years in our window motor builds-maglev bearings-infact any MLD shows this magnetic wind tunnel you speak of. The magnets are provoding a continual force that is equal and opposite to the force of gravity-without physical attachment-show me any other device that can do the same without any energy input.

It all comes down to how you see thing's,and some can step back and see the bigger picture.
Here is an example.
We take a house brick,and attach neo magnets to the bottom of it. We then have the same neo magnets placed on the ground-with like fields faceing eachother between the brick and the magnets on the ground.Lets say we can get a stable situation(ballance),where the brick is now magneticly levitated 1 inch of the ground. To most,the magnets arnt seen to be providing any useful work,or energy output.But then we grab the same house brick,sit on the ground,and we hold that brick 1 inch off the ground, we now have a situation where energy is being used,and provided by our muscles.
So how is it that energy is provided in one situation,and not the other,when doing the very same thing,on the very same object?. The magnetic levitated spinning top is another prime example. If you had to hold that top in the air,you would be useing energy to do so. But when it is held in the air via magnetic field's,all of a sudden no energy is being used or provided.
It either takes energy to suspend a mass in the air,or it dosnt-which is it?.

[MileHigh]

Tinman:

I will get to your other points later but I will discuss the levitating spring top now and touch on other matters later.

It is counter intuitive to see a levitating top or a brick and be told that no work is being done because there is force but there is no displacement.

For starters, let's forget about holding a brick in your hand.  Yes, it takes energy for your body to do that.  But it's a completely different thing all together.  What your body is doing compared to what is going on in an experimental setup are completely different things and not to be mixed up.   Your body is expending energy to hold the brick steady but if the brick is not moving then you are doing no work on the brick itself.  It should be easy to distinguish the two.

Take an example of a brick with magnets on the bottom and an electromagnet setup with an on-off switch.  You know the switch has to be on for the brick to float.  You know current is flowing through the electromagnets.  Same question here applies, are the electromagnets doing any work to keep the brick floating in place?

MileHigh

[tinman]

The second force present in the smot,is gravity.
Once again,it depends on how you look at this force to see if it actualy outputing any energy.Most say a gravity powered device is impossible,and yet we live on one very large gravity engine.Gravity is continualy providing a force greater that the centrifugal force of the spinning planet on all mass that resides on our planet. As we know,if there was no gravity,we would all fly off into space.The amount that the gravitational force is greater than the centrifugal force,is simply the weight of the object. Now ,if we go to the moon,we become lighter,even though the moon dosnt spin-no centrifugal force.But due to its small mass,we still weigh less, as there is less gravitational force.

(Maybe gravity is our monopole magnet we all seek. Most seem to think a monopole magnet will either have a north or south field. But what if it is a combination of both,and was attracted to all other monopole magnets of the same configuration?. Well we already have that,and that is gravity.All mass has gravity,and all masses are attracted to eachother.)

Whats interesting about magnet's,is being able to transfer weight without physical contact. This is one thing overlooked with the smot device,amoungst a few.These i will post in my next post.In the mean time,i will go and prepair my agrument,so as you all will understand. I will make it as clear as possable,so as it's easy to follow.
In the mean time,lets have a look at this video,and see if you can realy look at it,and account for everything taking place-(MH)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VN6KWM8Rbc

[tinman]

Tinman:

I will get to your other points later but I will discuss the levitating spring top now and touch on other matters later.

It is counter intuitive to see a levitating top or a brick and be told that no work is being done because there is force but there is no displacement.

For starters, let's forget about holding a brick in your hand.  Yes, it takes energy for your body to do that.  But it's a completely different thing all together.  What your body is doing compared to what is going on in an experimental setup are completely different things and not to be mixed up.   Your body is expending energy to hold the brick steady but if the brick is not moving then you are doing no work on the brick itself.  It should be easy to distinguish the two.

Take an example of a brick with magnets on the bottom and an electromagnet setup with an on-off switch.  You know the switch has to be on for the brick to float.  You know current is flowing through the electromagnets.  Same question here applies, are the electromagnets doing any work to keep the brick floating in place?

MileHigh

That would depend on your frame of reference point. From our reference point,the brick would seem to be not moving. But in reality,it is traveling at the same speed as the earth through space.

As far as the electromagnets doing work while keeping the brick floating in space go's-my answer is yes. But you must have the ability to stand back,and see everything that is happening to know why i answered yes-i wonder how many can do that.

[JouleSeeker]

Speaking of Elecar's possible or alleged self-looping device, MH writes:

Newton II:

If the little track ran continuously it would probably be the biggest news story of the entire 21st century, and we are only 13 years into the century.  Can't you see and understand that?  It's completely and utterly ridiculous to suggest that the guy is going to go to a toy manufacturer so that toddlers and very young children can play with a free energy toy.  It's simply insane and ridiculous and it means that you should be highly suspect of the person that stated that.

MileHigh

On the contrary, approaching a toy manufacturer seems to be a quick way to get some funding without going through the "censors" at the US patent office, which office has written that they will NOT fund "perpetual motion" devices.  But a toy manufacturer might just go by what he sees in front of his face -- if the device self-loops!  Which I still haven't seen yet.