Building a self looping "SMOT"

[tinman]

Below is a rough sketch of the energy transfer between the ball,and ramp-and i mean only rough.
But it will give you an idea as to where most of our potential energy is being lost in our ball.It also shows the direction of the energy left,that has to get our ball out of the magnetic field of the ramp.
Although it might look wrong,we must believe it is right,as every action has an equal and OPPOSITE reaction-and you will see that the green arrows are opposite to the red one's,and equal in length(roughly)The same go's for force applied-every force applied must have an opposite force of an equal amout. So from the pic,things just dont look to good for our ball,as most of the energy left is not going in the direction we want.So we can asume that a ramp setup like this,would result in a large loss of potential energy within the ball.

Edit-missed one green arrow,but you get the picture.

[JouleSeeker]

@Tinman - remember that forces and energy are different quantities.  However, SOUND at points on the track represent energy loss, and clearly, there is energy loss at the drop points as you say.  Putting the steel (or the magnets) on a rotor as I've noted in my previous post should get rid of this energy loss; although there will be energy lost due to friction in the bearings.

@Chet:

I see Bill Mehess being Mentioned here ,Didn't he also have a claim with the cat chasing its tail { What he called his Magnetic self runner ?}?

Also ran off to Patent {maybe??]

These fellows that Patent never seem to get anywhere with it
I stopped in to see One man who has been fighting with the US patent office for several years now about his Magnet Motor, William Landen Jr.[retired Nasa Scientist] a few months back.

Told me to come back in a few Months to see about something "New" ?
He's still plugging away,

Is it possible to check with Landen and Mehess to see where they are now?  did Mehess seek a patent - and if he did, does he now regret this?

At the Iccf-18 conference last July, I met with Dr Mitchell Swartz.  He tried for a patent on one of his LENR devices and got slapped with a national security order - could not even talk about his invention.  He fought it, and finally the gag order was lifted; which is how we can know about this event now.  But this harassment was real, reportable, documented.  I would agree that seeking patents is NOT a good idea.  Seek to benefit mankind, rather.  "Cast thy bread upon the waters: for thou shalt find it after many days."  Eccles. 11

[tinman]

@Tinman - remember that forces and energy are different quantities.

@ JS
It's not that there different quantities-there just different-but directly related.
For example,if we want to push a car down the road at 10kph,it would take a certain force applied to the car to do so. The force applied /over time will depend on how much energy can be supplied to that force,and for how long it can be supplied.
An electric car is a good example.The force applied to the wheels to move that car comes from the electric motor.The energy that is supplied to create that force comes from the energy stored within the batteries.So as we apply a force to the wheels to move the car,we loose energy.
The same is true for my picture above. As we apply a force on the exit ramp,we use energy that is contained in the ball.

Some of the energy being drawn  from the ball can be heard as sound,and some maybe felt as vibrations. But the bulk of it will be sent to ground,and our little steel ball isnt going to have much effect on the earth. This would be like putting a AA battery,and small electric motor from a toy car into your vehicle,and expect it to move. The battery will still expell it's energy,but we wont see anything happen in the way of the car moving.

[ramset]

JS
Yes I will stop and see William Landen Jr. in the next week or so,I'll see if he is ready to Share his Tech Yet?


@Tinman
Thx for peeking our interest ,yes the flea steering the Elephant would _seem_
a very tuff task........

Chet

[TinselKoala]

http://www.packratworkshop.com/wwork.htm

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/smot.htm

Simanek's explanation is a great one. Whenever I post links to Simanek's site I don't get much feedback; maybe people will now give it a read and try to refute points he makes, rather than just slinging mud and stomping their feet.

The other site is very interesting indeed.  The "Minto" type wheel is nearly identical to Mondrasek's old design that he wanted to patent several years ago, and that I built (variation) to test ... prior art? I don't remember the exact year Mond put his idea forth.

Did you notice that he claims to have gotten one variant to work for hours, but dismisses his result as not useful? I'd like to find out more, if there is a video, what he actually used, etc. The gif below is animated on the site, but I don't know how to make it animate here.