Building a self looping "SMOT"

[LibreEnergia]

So you are telling me that no work is done unless fuel is consumed, got it.

No, I'm not saying that. Work was done on the spacecraft. It experienced a force over exerted over a distance, (the definition of work). Work was also done on the earth. It experienced a force (but in the opposite direction) exerted over a distance.

[MeggerMan]

@All
I may need to admit defeat with this project.
After completing my test track this evening, the best I could manage was 2 circuits of the ball by starting about 50mm up the ramp from the cross over point.
This is running the ball clockwise so that it enters the magnet array in the center.
After the first circuit it moves up the ramp about 25mm from the cross over.
After the second circuit, it only just manages to make it over the cross over, then finishes about 60mm before the cross over owing to a lack of ball momentum.
The 50mm point is perhaps a height difference from the cross over of about 1.5mm
I probably should post a picture of my test track + video.
Meggerman

[Michael Q Shaw]

@All
I may need to admit defeat with this project.
After completing my test track this evening, the best I could manage was 2 circuits of the ball by starting about 50mm up the ramp from the cross over point.
This is running the ball clockwise so that it enters the magnet array in the center.
After the first circuit it moves up the ramp about 25mm from the cross over.
After the second circuit, it only just manages to make it over the cross over, then finishes about 60mm before the cross over owing to a lack of ball momentum.
The 50mm point is perhaps a height difference from the cross over of about 1.5mm
I probably should post a picture of my test track + video.
Meggerman

Sorry to hear that Meggerman, I will still not give up on my Propulsion track, I have seen it work, I know it works, I just need to connect them at the transition, just one inch between wining or loosing, just one inch between living and dying will make all the difference.

[MileHigh]

Tinman:

I hit my keyboard the wrong way and I lost my posting by closing the browser tab. I hate that so I'm just going to rattle it off from memory.

For the brick, I mentioned the resistance of the wire.  But in the context of the question, "work on the brick" only refers to whether the brick is lifted or not.  Beyond that I agree that all sources of energy should be taken into account when you analyze a system.

For the clip, I don't see two other places where there is increased energy.  Please indicate what you mean.  My take on the clip is that it's pretty straightforward.  The ball gets no net energy as it goes through the ramp and it's the gravity boost at the end that allows the ball to continue rolling.

The other thing to note with the video i posted,and Michael's setup(and all other smots of the same design),is once the ball drops out of the ramp, the ball is already under exceleration once it passes the level it started at,at the begining of the ramp.This in itself shows that it can be made to work,as the ball has gone from standing still,to a state of exceleration once at the same plane level.

You are still forgetting or having trouble visualizing the fact that the ball is still inside a potential energy well as it falls when it gets back to the same level it started at.  The ball may be moving, as compared to being still when it starts.  But you still are not factoring in the magnetic potential energy at both positions and you have to.  The falling ball has less energy than the ball in the starting position.

i started to look at the video's,and analyze what was going on with the devices,and finding the errors made in the designs.

I looked at the Billmehess video that was linked to and I saw two major errors.

Sorry, but there is something about rewriting a posting that you lost that is so difficult, I don't know why.

MileHigh

[Michael Q Shaw]

Tinman:

I hit my keyboard the wrong way and I lost my posting by closing the browser tab. I hate that so I'm just going to rattle it off from memory.

For the brick, I mentioned the resistance of the wire.  But in the context of the question, "work on the brick" only refers to whether the brick is lifted or not.  Beyond that I agree that all sources of energy should be taken into account when you analyze a system.

For the clip, I don't see two other places where there is increased energy.  Please indicate what you mean.  My take on the clip is that it's pretty straightforward.  The ball gets no net energy as it goes through the ramp and it's the gravity boost at the end that allows the ball to continue rolling.

You are still forgetting or having trouble visualizing the fact that the ball is still inside a potential energy well as it falls when it gets back to the same level it started at.  The ball may be moving, as compared to being still when it starts.  But you still are not factoring in the magnetic potential energy at both positions and you have to.  The falling ball has less energy than the ball in the starting position.

I looked at the Billmehess video that was linked to and I saw two major errors.

Sorry, but there is something about rewriting a posting that you lost that is so difficult, I don't know why.

MileHigh

"Potential Energy Well"  are you certain you did not make this up? "Potential Energy Well" Really?