Even more simplified experiment to show OU using artificial gravity

[lumen]

It's good to be optimistic, but the only way to know what you said is true or not is to build and experiment. If you want I can help.

I seen some problems in the previous design so I made some changes and now......OU?
It's very simple and is OU!

Well I suppose I might be a bit optimistic but now none of the back torque on the generator will be felt in the main drive wheel.
If torque had any effect on the wheel, then one could simply put a spring to apply torque on the outer sprockets and the wheel would turn forever which is impossible.

So even though the generators will exert back torque into the outer sprocket, that torque is simply applied to the center stationary sprocket.

In effect, the wheel could be turned by hand and generate huge amounts of power, or a tiny motor could generate thousands of watts of output.

[lumen]

I believe the problem in the previous design is in the fact that the rotation of the large disk is also the device that rotates the smaller working components. This means that resistance to rotation in the working components also results in resistance to rotation of the large disk.

In the new design, the working outer sprocket never rotates and is essentially a stationary platform moving in a circle. The artificial gravity generated then is moving in a circle around this stationary platform. If the direction of gravity on earth was rotating, one could simply build an offset wheel and generate power. Luckily, Earths gravity does not rotate because other things would suck, but now you see the point.

Because of the one to one sprocket gearing, applying any amount of torque on the outer sprocket, no torque is applied to the large disk. So in effect, no back torque can be see in this generating system.

Does anyone see anything different?
Or is that it, Game Over!

[broli]

The sprockets cannot be completely independent of the big wheel can they, unless I'm misunderstanding the concept. To me it looks like the countertorque of the generator will be projected on the big wheel. It's just like someone grabbing the chain with his hands, the whole thing will grind to a halt.

[lumen]

The sprockets cannot be completely independent of the big wheel can they, unless I'm misunderstanding the concept. To me it looks like the countertorque of the generator will be projected on the big wheel. It's just like someone grabbing the chain with his hands, the whole thing will grind to a halt.

That's what makes this so interesting!
You need to ask yourself if there is any way the large wheel would turn by applying a torque to the outer sprocket when the inner sprocket is mounted stationary (not on the big wheel).
The answer is yes, only if the two sprockets are of different sizes. When the inner and outer sprockets are the same size, then it is impossible to make the big wheel rotate by applying any torque to the outer sprocket when the center sprocket is mounted stationary.
If the big wheel can see no torque from the outer sprocket, then what is there that could apply any back torque on the big wheel when generator loading occurs?
I don't know!...... That's why I'm asking.

The only thing the big wheel would see is the mass of the generators and weights.

By torqueing the outer sprocket the only thing the occurs is the compression of the solid mass through the centerlines of the sprockets and the stretching of the chain at the outer edge of the sprockets.
Do you think that there might be a force vector that does not pass directly through the center of the big wheel when torque is applied to the outer sprocket?

If the big wheel could rotate from a torque applied on the outer sprocket then we could build a sensitive wheel and place magnets on the outer sprocket, then because the outer sprockets do not rotate, the earths magnetic field could apply a constant torque and the wheel would run for nothing!

[lumen]

I believe the problem in making any of these devices work as imagined, depends on which components the torque is applied or more so, the reference from which the torque is applied.

Torque applied to the outer sprocket from the external or stationary frame cannot make the large wheel rotate, but torque applied from the frame of the large wheel can rotate the wheel.

It seems the answer is somewhere in this type of wheel, locked between gravity and centrifugal force.