Single Coil Generator

[Newton II]

The drawing is only to illustrate working principle.....

I think the working principle is same as that of a standard transformer.  The coils wound on the transformer core  will be exposed to one
type of flux on their inner surface and opposite pole on the diametrically opposite outer surface. 

In a transformer since the central core produces only one type of flux,  you need not twist the coil inside and outside of the core.  The dimetric magnet you are using is producing both type of poles inside the coil.  So to make the inner surface of the coil face one type of flux,  you have to twist the coil inside and out side the individual successive cores as indicated in your figure.

This device may be useful only if lenz's forces are totally eliminated.  If not it will consume input power just as in the case of a transformer.

[gyulasun]

@Gyulasun


I am not good in working with computers.  Somehow I have made one drawing and attached it as pdf.  I hope you will get the idea. 

The drawing is only to illustrate working principle. A practical generator has to be designed correctly with suitable number of poles / cores so that maximum inner surface of the conductor is exposed to one type of flux.

Regards

Vineet.K.

Hi Vineet,

Thanks for the drawing it helped much and now I have only one question. You wrote in the text:

"When diametric magnet is rotated by 45 deg., inner surface faces only N pole and outer surface faces S pole."

Is not a 90 deg. rotation involved as an example when you wish to mention the change of the poles? Why 45 degree rotation?
If it is indeed 45 degree, then I do not get how the diametric magnet is positioned in the centre? 

By the way, is it a must to use diametric magnet here? because on a rotor four block magnets could be fixed with NSNS.  Or you think of a multipole cylinder magnet as the rotor itself? what you indicated with yellow color in Fig. 3 of your first pdf file.

I edited your drawing to show a 90 degree rotation, the upper drawing is the one as you showed the poles,  the lower drawing shows the magnets turned 90 degree clockwise.  Please comment.

Gyula

[vineet_kiran]

 
@gyulasun


Yes. It is 90 degree only.  Sorry for the confusion.  Any arrangement of magnets with NSNS combination can be used.  I use diametric magnets in such experiments only because it is easy to handle and uniformly magnetised (factory made).

Regards,

Vineet.K.

[gyulasun]

Hi Vineet,

I am not aware of whether your design as shown in your above drawings and description has been proposed by Bedini or Naudin, at least not publicly I know of.
However, the idea of letting one end of a magnetic core or cores open and claiming Lenz may have less effect was referred to (in 2005-06) by Slavek Krepelka here: http://home.primus.ca/~slavek.krepelka/ttf2/fields8.htm
Unfortunately I have not come across any proof of concept report on his proposed setups.

On your present single coil generator setup, all I can say is Lenz may get reduced, the possibility may be there.  What I wrote in connection with your parallel core setup on little Lenz effect I referred to Bedini's similar setup which was a pulse motor setup and I forgot to consider that your parallel core setup is a generator setup, hence this latter has a continuously closed circuit whenever a load is applied at its output while the same setup in a pulsed motor mode as per Bedini has a closed circuit just during the ON times of pulsed coil(s).

Now your single coil generator setup also has a continuous load at its output of course and the moving magnet when sweeping its flux via the coil must "see" a certain amount of counter flux coming from the coil due to the load current, the induction takes place by the direct crossing of the number of turns, I am not sure the soft cores in the outer side of the coil matter much or not (from Lenz point of view) when you leave their other ends open,  the counter flux coming from the coil must have a certain counter to motion force. How big this counter force due to the load current is the big question, and answerable only by building the setup.

If you disagree with any of my arguments above please tell.

Greetings,  Gyula

[vineet_kiran]

Now your single coil generator setup also has a continuous load at its output of course and the moving magnet when sweeping its flux via the coil must "see" a certain amount of counter flux coming from the coil due to the load current, the induction takes place by the direct crossing of the number of turns, I am not sure the soft cores in the outer side of the coil matter much or not (from Lenz point of view) when you leave their other ends open,  the counter flux coming from the coil must have a certain counter to motion force. How big this counter force due to the load current is the big question, and answerable only by building the setup.

I agree with that.  Thanks for all your help. 

I had thought of one more setup making use of mechanical resonance to dissipate lenz's forces and posted a topic under the following link :

http://www.overunity.com/11370/resonating-generator/msg299479/#msg299479


The only thing I didnot mention in that is the distance (gap) between the magnet and vibrating foil.  Actually the  foils have to be at maximum distance from the magnet such that they are just within the reach of magnetic attraction.  When magnet is rotated, the foils vibrate and at some specific speed of magnet the foils vibrate with resonating frequency.  At this point foils come closure to the magnet due to increase in amplitude of vibration.   Hence stronger flux flows through the foils making the bulb connected to the coil to glow brightly and there will not be any increase in input power (infact input power goes down) since the rotating magnet will be in resonance with the vibrating foils (which are nothing but parts of central core).

This has nothing to do with electrical resonance. It just makes use of amplitude gained by vibrating foils due to mechanical resonance.

Any thoughts on that?


Regards,

Vineet.K