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How to make multiple Kicks

Started by Neo-X, November 23, 2013, 10:31:20 PM

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verpies

Quote from: MileHigh on November 28, 2013, 12:59:16 AM
Even deeper, the answer is shockingly simple.  In the dielectric material between the capacitor plates, each molecule is like a little stressed egg shape.  There is an electric field present.  That pulls on the negative electron cloud and pushes on the positive nucleus.  That stresses and distorts the shape of the molecule so it looks like an egg instead of a sphere.  So that is a little mechanical spring.  You note that if the egg is stressed it produces its own electric field and that field is opposite to the applied field.  Hence with a high permittivity dielectric you have eggs that can really be stressed.  Also, you can't forget we are always talking AC, so the eggs are being stressed and relaxed over and over.
It is not "shockingly simple" in the manner you describe.  Rather, it is simplistic.
I was taught the same in school but I started having doubts that this simplistic explanation is correct after reading this.

verpies

Quote from: Farmhand on November 28, 2013, 12:22:44 AM
Would it be true to say we can have electrons with different levels of charge ?
Did you ever consider why free charged electrons inside a wire don't all repel themselves to the surface of that wire.
Did you ever consider, that free charged electrons might not be responsible for the transport of electric energy inside a solid wire?

On the other hand, electric current outside of solid conductors (e.g. free space) is definitely the result of the movement of charge carriers, such as electrons, positrons, muons, protons and ions in general and is known collectively as particle beams, ion streams or plasma currents.  The motionless form of this is known as "static electricity".

Maybe you will find this paper about the displacement current illuminating.
When reading this paper you have to keep in mind, that the phrase "charge field" has a special unconventional meaning, which is defined in his other papers.

wings

Quote from: verpies on November 28, 2013, 03:56:06 AM
Did you ever consider why free charged electrons inside a wire don't all repel themselves to the surface of that wire.
Did you ever consider, that free charged electrons might not be responsible for the transport of electric energy inside a solid wire?

On the other hand, electric current outside of solid conductors (e.g. free space) is definitely the result of the movement of charge carriers, such as electrons, positrons, muons, protons and ions in general and is known collectively as particle beams, ion streams or plasma currents.  The motionless form of this is known as "static electricity".

Maybe you will find this paper about the displacement current illuminating.
When reading this paper you have to keep in mind, that the phrase "charge field" has a special unconventional meaning, which is defined in his other papers.

http://amasci.com/miscon/speed.html
The speed of electric current

Since nothing visibly moves when the charge-sea flows, we cannot measure the speed of its flow by eye. Instead we do it by making some assumptions and doing a calculation. Let's say we have an electric current in normal lamp cord connected to bright light bulb. The electric current works out to be a flow of approximatly 3 inches per hour. Very slow!
Here's how I worked out that value. I know:

Bulb power: about 100 watts, about 100V at 1A
Value for electric current: I = 1 ampere
Wire diameter: D = 2/10 cm, radius R=.1cm
Mobile electrons per cc (for copper, if 1 per atom): Q = 8.5*10^+22
Charge per electron: e = 1.6*10^-19
The equation:


cm/sec =   ________I_______  = .0023 cm/sec  =  8.4 cm/hour
           Q * e * R^2 * pi

Charge or spin current or ?
http://inamori-frontier.kyushu-u.ac.jp/electronics/common/img/spin_current_en.jpg


verpies

Quote from: wings on November 28, 2013, 07:44:59 AM
Since nothing visibly moves when the charge-sea flows, we cannot measure the speed of its flow by eye. Instead we do it by making some assumptions and doing a calculation.
And that calculation is correct if we assume that the motion of electrons constitutes the electric current in the wire.
However, mathematical correctness is not indicative of conceptual correctness. 
In this case, math does not verify the assumption - rather it relies on the assumption.

forest

Good , I see progress in correct direction. I think nature is symmetrical. Think why only one kind of current should exists ?