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How to make multiple Kicks

Started by Neo-X, November 23, 2013, 10:31:20 PM

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Bruce_TPU

Quote from: MileHigh on December 02, 2013, 05:47:19 PM
So Reiyuki showed that a square wave can couple some energy into a coil and you will get a ring-down.  Myself, Farmhand, Reiyuki all made similar comments about what is taking place.  I suppose the most important point is that it's all normal and supposed to happen.  So there is nothing unusual or of any interest there if you assume that you are pursuing some form of free energy along the lines of Steven Mark.

Personally I view Steven Mark in the same league as Tariel Kapandze.  They both have produced mysterious inconclusive video clips.  Steven Mark could have been powering a light bulb with an alkaline AA battery hooked up to a Joule Thief circuit, there was more than enough room for that from what you see in his second or third-generation videotape videos.  You think I generate a lot of text?  TK and SM are responsible for endless reams and reams of text on this forum and elsewhere.

For Bruce, what do you mean by "electrons freed from the wire."  As far as the "PC Heroes" comment goes, you sure have an attitude for someone that's a beginner in electronics.  Like many people that play in this realm, there is a very good chance that you don't understand a lot of things, and you are making leaps of logic and forming relationships in your mind about your circuit that in all likelihood aren't correct.  The better approach is to be conservative and understand your limitations.

To me right now it looks like the wire is simply affecting Bruce's mysterious black box magnetic field detector that he demonstrates in his clips.  Effectively it's a noise glitch (when the wire jumps up or down in potential very suddenly) that propagates though the detector.  You can see how the voltage output from the black box current detector can be in two separate and distinct forms.  In the first form of the output, the black box sensor will show a magnet pass (like Bruce demonstrates in his clips).  In the second form of the output, noise glitches from the nearby wire (when it takes a sudden jump in potential) propagate through the circuitry and create a spike (glitch) on the scope display.  The glitch has nothing to do with the current in the wire.

Noise glitches can propagate through all types of circuitry.  Where Bruce is making a mistake is that he sees the noise glitch on the output from the black box and thinks that it represents a current pulse in the wire.  In fact it's not a current pulse, it's just noise that is disturbing the circuitry inside the black box and creating the pulse output.  This happens all the time in real life.  You can't always assume that the output from some kind of sensor or detector is 100% correct.  Every sensor only has a certain amount of immunity to external electronic noise.  It takes knowledge and experience to make a distinction between the two.

So it looks like this whole thing is just a tempest in a teapot and it's not the first time, nor will it be the last time that this happens on the forum.  In fact it happens all the time.  It's part of the learning curve with respect to the very complex subject of electronics.

MileHigh

I think you write things on purpose to get under my skin.  And I also think you are a paid operative like your buddy TK to haunt these forums.

What part of, "I moved on to a resistor" does not compute?

Is my English bad?  Are you deaf and dumb?  So the NOISE of the circuitry is it?  That has got to be the lamest, stupidest thing I have heard to date.   :o

What part of the circuitry of my resistor is affected pray tell?

And my magnetic pickup ONLY picks up magnetic fields.  And a pickup coil has its circuitry broken too?

You are really showing your idiotic refusal to accept anything new or to even ever experiment.

Your job is to hinder any people from finding out the truth. 

At this point...  laughable. You are like a drowning man gasping at a straw.
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

Bruce_TPU

Quote from: totoalas on December 02, 2013, 04:08:25 PM
Hi Bruce,  Rei
In my set up without the Neutral and one out put wire Negative from a wall adaptor   Sony ac to dc wall      the circuit switched off ... Im using an ignition coil cap coil in series /and water tap to light 40 w of led lamps 100 % brightness @ 0 amps
Also If I want to amplify the secondary,  do I need to increase the coil size and turns??? a series Bifilar ??? 
thanks

Please post a circuit and a picture and I will assist you.
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

MileHigh

Bruce:

I'm sorry I am just giving you my viewpoint and you should consider it.  I have a quite a bit of electronics experience.  I'm not one of those guys and that's ridiculous.  You are also going overboard.  I am commenting on your clips where you have the project box current sensor, not your resistor.  You have to realize that so why the crazy talk?  I haven't seen any setup with a resistor.  I hope you will show it later then I can comment.

QuoteAnd my magnetic pickup ONLY picks up magnetic fields.

You don't know that for sure.  I have seen various circuits pick up extraneous noise all my life.  Sharp, high-slew-rate voltage transitions and current transitions can cause this.  If you can show us what both pickups are, the project box and the resistor setup, that would be great.

What you are observing I and many others have seen in other situations that are similar.  If you can observe a tick on a scope input you have to remember that the input resistance of the scope is about one megaohm.  So that high resistance input allows the scope to display very feeble voltage pulses with almost no energy in them.  So it's not surprising to see an event on the scope when the wire abruptly changes in potential.  That produces a sharp transition in the ambient electrical field around the wire and that sharp transition can result in you seeing a tiny "tick" pulse on your scope.

I think in your clips you see positive and negative ticks.  That could be a clue because the wire can change potential in two directions, and each direction could generate it's respective tick.  If you were interested you could do some investigations along these lines.

Also, I am just telling you what might be happening in your circuit from what I see.  I am not sure that what I am saying is true, but there is a very decent possibility that it is happening or something very similar is happening.  In many digital logic families they intentionally limit the slew rate of the voltage transitions on the outputs to reduce these effects.

MileHigh

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MileHigh


That talk is useless. Please propose better method of measurement , some which would show without doubts Bruce has something unusual here or it's "just a noise". Now I know why there is only small exceprt on interation of vacuum bulb filaments with external magnetic field. There is more silly debates then it's worth so nobody can jump further...

cheappower2012

Mark Dansie referred to SM as a conman that cheated Australian investors out of millions,
of course the investors were greedy,that was there down fall.
Here is SM in all hes glory showing 2 TPU's to some investors(suckers),the  guy talking to the investors after the demo is full of bull shit
and is another conman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_fRKxz_UNo&feature=channel&list=UL

The inverter was a modified triplight inverter 12vdc to 110vac,keep in mind the year 1997,SM paid someone to do the modifing
,they changed the transformer  so it can accept 180 vdc ,it converts this to 110 vac.In my opinion SM is a liar, a conman and a crook,however the tpu is real.