Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[lumen]

Well, at least the second design avoids all the speculation so I think that is the one I should build.

[tim123]

When you go to Stirling's QmoGen page, you can read the double talk, Phase angle, power factor, resonance, none of which can produce real power to run anything! They are either hiding their idea or covering up the facts.

Torque increasing device! Real or not.  Centrifugal force increases with RPM at very little cost.

Mmm, I tend to agree... There's a lot of speculation, but nothing replicable. Out of the 30+, no one has given any proper details, published any tests. The guy with the patent seems to have vanished...

I do think though, that slipping belts etc. giving rise to sharp changes in acceleration could give rise to OU - if the 'Fifth Element' / 3rd derivative theory of force is true:
http://www.halexandria.org/dward124.htm

Regards
Tim

[tim123]

The guy with the patent hasn't vanished. Stirling has posted new info:
http://pesn.com/2013/12/11/9602405_Interview-with-QMoGen-Patent-Holder_Jesse-McQueen/

It all sounds quite bizarre...

I was trying to find input power requirements for alternators. I found this spec - and on the last page it shows efficiency & input & output power. Always UU:
http://www.raad-eng.com/techdata/stamford/PI734D.pdf

Stirling also posted 'plans' for a QMoGen. But I can't see any indication in there of how it might go OU. It also uses a big motor and smaller generator - unlike others:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:_Nigerian_QMoGen_Plans

[mscoffman]

tim123,

Thank you for the .pdf specification for the rotating equipment. Generally I think that this device
should be called a "generator head" rather than an alternator. A generator often contains a small
secondary magneto that produces DC to run "field" magnets in the rotor. The AVR automatic
voltage regulator controls the strength of the field current such that the output voltage becomes
regulated. In a generator the number of magnetic poles past the output coils per second becomes
the output AC frequency, so mechanical input RPM needs to be carefully controlled.

An alternator has a battery that supplies the initial field current, but then suprisingly works
the same way, but rectifies it's output 3phase to DC. The 3phase is done to limit cogging as
the energy is spread three ways. The alternator therfore needs not to produce any specific
frequency and input RPM is uncontrolled.

Now about the efficiency figures. This shows that the device is nearly 96 percent efficient while
it still produces it's own DC field current. I assume this is absolute mechanical efficiency.  Imagine
replacing the dynamic field generation by permanent magnets, It seems difficult that the
efficiency figures would still be below 100% without having any power being dissipated creating
the field. I would have assumed that permanent magnets in this service was impossible, but
yet Albia Company has listing for permanent magnet AC equipment.

Now regulating the voltage of permanent magnet equipment would be difficult because the
AVR would have difficulties controlling the field strength but...

So something seems not to add up in the efficiency department which is one reason that
I feel that Q-moto-generators may be possible.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[tim123]

Hi Mark
I was looking to see if I could find torque outputs & requirements for motors & generators & them match them up to make OU. I didn't really find what I was looking for... But I didn't look that hard...

I was wondering if the rated specs for some motors etc might give the torque needed to run a bigger generator head.

I was intrigued by the idea of using a starter motor - but I didn't get as far as doing any calcs... I must admit to being a bit skeptical about the whole thing still. Skeptical, but open-minded.

Regards, Tim