Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[tim123]

Hi Rice
  Here's some info on 'connective physics' - which might relate to this subject - if not it's still interesting. It's all about how all things in the universe ar connected - and inertia is one outcome. Another concept is 'critical action time' - which modifies the newtownian force equations - and allows for OU:
http://www.halexandria.org/dward137.htm

I rather disagree with the assertion that "if it worked everyone would be doing it"... The wisdom of the herd is a well known oxymoron... I mean, most people actually believe government is lawful, and that banks lend out their money. Lol... 

Still, it'll be interesting to see if any of these Q-mo-gen's (as Stirling calls 'em) take off / go public with plans etc... I'll slowly work on building one, just for the crack, amongst my other projects...

Regards
Tim

[tim123]

Not just a flywheel, but a roberval system.
Let me explain a simple system as in this pic....

Hi Lumen
  that is a very interesting design, and it's really stretching my tiny brain...

Have you simulated it, or built it?

Regards
Tim

PS: I think the back-force will be transmitted from the load via the chains to the 'C' wheels - to their bearings - to the outside of wheel 'A'...

[lumen]

Tim,

I know the brain thing, it's almost like an illusion that you think you have figured out but then not.

The real effect is simply to create a platform on a rotating disk that remains stationary as it moves around the disk. This platform will experience a rotational gravity that would be very easy to extract energy from.

If you were on the disk, you could just build a gravity wheel, but instead of trying to move the weights to get it to rotate (like people try now) you could just put all the weight on one side and have the gravity rotate.

A roberval system removes torque and should work well to generate the stationary platform without inducing any torque back into the main disk.

There are other ways to achieve the same setup, so I can't see how this could fail and this puts me in the same boat as you, brain strain!

I have done some motion simulations in another thread but they are only motion simulations and return no useful data.

[lumen]

There is a force imparted by the generator into "A"

I spent a while playing with something very similar to this and found that the CASE torque indeed supplied a reactive force into whatever was moving it.

This CASE torque by the way did not need to have an outside force it was "pushing" against per-say.  I isolated the source of resistance and only allowed the shaft torque to be the influence so any force from the motor, in my case for testing, that the case imparted was from the torque alone.

I actually always wondered if there was a reaction as such since the case is both pushing and pulling,  my tests showed that there was a reaction.

If that is true then one could cause "A" to rotate by applying a torque on the "C" sprockets.

Before we move on to the next design that totally eliminates the proposed problem, we should try to fully understand why or how a load on "B" could slow disk "A".

Lets suppose that while the weights are held outward by centrifugal force that by slowing the rotation of sprocket "B" that it does cause disk "A" to slow.

This would logically seem possible since in reverse you are locking the "C" sprockets to the rotating disk "A" by the centrifugal force on the weights.
But in reality, slowing the rotation of "B" pulls only on the weights and causes a partial retraction. The retraction of the weights tries to conserve angular momentum as the radius gets shorter and causes disk "A" to rotate faster. The same as a skater pulling in their arms during a spin or like a weight on a rope wrapping around a pole and causing the radius to get shorter and spin faster.

Having done so, maybe you can explain what you believe causes the disk "A" to experience a slowing from increased drag on "B".

[lumen]

Well, my testbed sure did move with only the torque from the motor,, so I would say yes.

Maybe you could show your test better so we can see how it applies to this device.
Are you saying you spun up a similar device and experienced some moving forces on the entire unit?