Electric Motor Geenerator/alternator looped

[DreamThinkBuild]

Hi Tinman,

Thanks, that is an interesting video. Is that DC to DC motor/gen?

I've tried various ways to get a motor/gen to loop and failed. You need 3x COP, as MsCoffman states, in order for you to generate enough power to run itself and run a real load.

Trying to decouple the prime mover from the load has been my main goal, also trying to find efficient generators. I recently acquired two small generators from China.

site: http://small-generator.com

The shipping is expensive to US. The company was really good answering questions I had and the quality of the generators was excellent.

The first is YAF 54 this one is not too bad it's small but needs high rpm to generate.

http://small-generator.com/buy/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=8

The second is YAF 80 this one is a little bigger but really nice output at low rpm. Just hand twisting it can make a 30watt incandescent bulb filament glow a dim red. Very low cogging too seems much less than the low wind Windblue I have. I'm pretty impressed with this one. Just need more time and warmer temps to see how it really performs.

http://small-generator.com/buy/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=10

I'm also putting up these two ideas here a different way of looping, these are untested but may be give someone inspiration for a new idea.

The wind lens is really interesting but I don't hear much about it. Here are two videos showing it off with a 2.5-3x gain on output over regular wind turbines.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQexzNg_e9A

The next video is in Japanese but watch the numbers. Without lens 13watts output, with lens 37watts for same air flow/gen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGWCAvBD8eo

The idea I had was to take a efficient high velocity computer fan and focus it through the lens to another bladed fan as generator. The focus and lens can be made out of flowerpots or any other plastic kitchen container. This would partially decouple the output from the input. This design could be placed on a wide wire shelf so no real complicated support is needed for testing purposes.

Next video showing one fan running another, now if the output could be improved with a wind lens 2.5x or more could it aid in looping?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdhDq-FmM38

I also noticed the small-generator site had small hydro-generators that hook to a garden hose.

http://small-generator.com/buy/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=26

The other idea was to take a small solar garden fountain pump(6vdc@1amp or 12vdc@0.5amp 4ft fountain) and make a ring of generators. This one I'm not sure how much loss will be in the piping. It would be interesting to see how the high pressure from the expulsion side be aided by the pull of the low pressure of the suction side through the loop. It may be possible to combine the lens idea to make a water lens section of pipe and a spinning diametric magnet with blades attached. A water lens section can be 3D printed.

Too many ideas so little time.

[lumen]

Ok, this is the question for a proof of overunity generator concept for all the real thinkers and math wizards.

In this picture, the large green gear at the bottom is applied a rotation. If the rotation is applied when everything is stationary then the center brown bracket and the blue gyro wheel will just rotate with the gear.

The question is, if the blue gyro wheel was rotating, would there be a point where the rotation of the large green gear would instead increase the rotation of the gyro wheel?

Because the force required to increase the RPM of the blue gyro wheel remains constant and the stability provided by the rotation of the gyro wheel increases with RPM, there should be a point where they cross and further force applied to the gear will increase the RPM.



The gear ratio is 10:1 and if the stability point can be reached, then this in itself is proof that over unity exists in inertial mass and power could be extracted at no cost.
This would mean that a motor and generator could provide excess power through the use of inertial mass.

[Grimer]

...
Would you like to hire someone to do the experimental work that you think "al" could do? Can you afford it? Would you accept a "null result" from "al"? ...

You may have missed my reply of 6th Jan but I repeat:


I would like to hire someone to do the experimental work providing it would be less that about £2000. I would accept a null result. After all it would be cheaper than going to a trick cyclist, would it not. 

[TinselKoala]

You may have missed my reply of 6th Jan but I repeat:


I would like to hire someone to do the experimental work providing it would be less that about £2000. I would accept a null result. After all it would be cheaper than going to a trick cyclist, would it not. 

Well, my mommy told me never to accept candy from a stranger, and my daddy taught me never to take money from easy marks.... and I'm sure you could do somebody some real good with that money, paltry sum that it is.

But if you PM me with some kind of coherent, testable hypothesis, I'll look it over and if it seems feasible or interesting I'll put in "al's" inbox for you and we can see if he takes a nibble. But seriously.... why don't you call up your local machine shop, just for grins, and ask them how much time and effort your 2000 pound would buy from them. I'd really like to know, for purposes of calculation of  administrative and plant operational overhead. Can't compete if you don't know the market!

How's that?

[Grimer]

Well, my mommy told me never to accept candy from a stranger, and my daddy taught me never to take money from easy marks.... and I'm sure you could do somebody some real good with that money, paltry sum that it is.

But if you PM me with some kind of coherent, testable hypothesis, I'll look it over and if it seems feasible or interesting I'll put in "al's" inbox for you and we can see if he takes a nibble. But seriously.... why don't you call up your local machine shop, just for grins, and ask them how much time and effort your 2000 pound would buy from them. I'd really like to know, for purposes of calculation of  administrative and plant operational overhead. Can't compete if you don't know the market!

How's that?

I wouldn't have thought the experiment was that difficult or need involve a vast expense.


All one needs to do is get hold of one of those charity boxes with a classic vortex shape. Cut a hole in the side to allow coins to fly out, see how far they go before hitting the ground and calculating their horizontal speed as they leave the bottom of the vortex cone. 


No doubt if you approached the manufactures and explained what you were doing they would let you have one cheap. After all an engineer is someone who can do for tuppence what any fool can do for sixpence.


Is £2000 pounds a paltry sum for that?


I assume your offer was sincere and not one you knew I couldn't take up because I wouldn't be able to afford it.