Reactive power - Reactive Generator research from GotoLuc - discussion thread

[tinman]

I have a question about something that dosnt make sense to me. In Luc's circuit below,why is the voltage being measured on the front side of the cap(across the supply),and the current on the back side of the cap?Should not the voltage and current be measured on the same side of the cap?

[Farmhand]

Tinman I think that is due to the neutral being grounded and scope damage. If the scope is grounded then the two scope grounds need to go to the grounded neutral or buku current might flow through one. I think. Don't take my answer though, I'm no expert on scopes.

When I measured the two currents on my pulse motor I did not realize the scope even had a function to invert a signal so I just showed them one oriented correctly and one inverted and said so in explanation, it worked out for me because it showed the currents difference visually, which is all I wanted. But the pulse motor circuit was isolated and I chose the input rail to place the two probes grounds, the two probes grounds need to be together and if used with the same supply as the scope then they should be on the neutral/ground. An isolated scope like a nano can be used anyhow like a DMM I think if one is careful.

I am guessing it should make no difference, the current should be equal in the entire loop, if not the safety switch should trip or something.

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[tinman]

Tinman I think that is due to the neutral being grounded and scope damage. If the scope is grounded then the two scope grounds need to go to the grounded neutral or buku current might flow through one. I think. Don't take my answer though, I'm no expert on scopes.

When I measured the two currents on my pulse motor I did not realize the scope even had a function to invert a signal so I just showed them one oriented correctly and one inverted and said so in explanation, it worked out for me because it showed the currents difference visually, which is all I wanted. But the pulse motor circuit was isolated and I chose the input rail to place the two probes grounds, the two probes grounds need to be together and if used with the same supply as the scope then they should be on the neutral/ground. An isolated scope like a nano can be used anyhow like a DMM I think if one is careful.

I am guessing it should make no difference, the current should be equal in the entire loop, if not the safety switch should trip or something.

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Yes,well understand the common ground thing with scope's,but in order to measure the power being consumed(disipated) by the MOT and resistor,i believe it should be setup like in the pic below. I know that an ideal cap dosnt disipate power,but no cap that i know of is ideal. as soon as they raise in temp,they are disipating power.There must be some loss through the cap via heat.

[rensseak]

Answers for the record:

Your interpretation of me writing that I'm "splitting the voltage from the current" is illusionary. Please show me the post I wrote it this way. I'll be more than happy to correct it, as this is not a correct statement.

Luc be carefull

you may have read that I've been saying this circuit is not creating energy. What I think is going on in this circuit is by separating the TWO components of electricity (voltage & current) you don't destroy the electricity (aka don't kill the dipole) by short circuit like typical everyday circuit we use.
When the electricity components are separated they can go through a circuit, do work and come back out with next to no losses if there is minimal resistance in the circuit.
Luc

ADDED BY GOTOLUC

I agree that using the word Separating is Not a good choice of word on a technical point of view but I'm sure most who have been following the topic knew what I was saying. So below is the edit to replace separating with time delay and 90 degrees out of phase.

you may have read that I've been saying this circuit is not creating energy. What I think is going on in this circuit is by causing a time delay between the TWO electricity components (voltage & current) you don't destroy the electricity (aka don't kill the dipole) by short circuit like typical everyday circuit we use.
When the electricity components are 90 degrees out of phase they can go through a circuit, do work and come back out with next to no losses if there is minimal resistance in the circuit.
Luc

[forest]

Yes,well understand the common ground thing with scope's,but in order to measure the power being consumed(disipated) by the MOT and resistor,i believe it should be setup like in the pic below. I know that an ideal cap dosnt disipate power,but no cap that i know of is ideal. as soon as they raise in temp,they are disipating power.There must be some loss through the cap via heat.

I had the same feeling and asked the same question but was unable to recognize why I asked , so thank you