1lb lift-force anti-gravity from ordinary charged capacitor!

[d3x0r]

Okay; but I don't get in the JL naudin page, how they get from electrostatic charge to electromagnetic antigravity....


in the case of [size=78%]http://www.space-mixing-theory.com/article2.pdf[/size]


single plate, positive charge, observed mass loss. Could this be a lack of electron weight? 
electrons are 1/1000'th (at most) of a proton... so the percentage couldn't be more then something like 3%... hmm so if it is copper, 29 proton, 29 electrons, 34 neutrons (oh see that mass is going to make the electron loss less significant)... like 0.01% like I started with..


so in a positive state it loses more than an electron?


Is there a conductive element that doesn't have neutrons?  Well... element that doesn't have neutrons; that would be hydrogen... and metallic hydrogen; predicted but not created... and if it was created may or may not (but is suspected to be) a stable metalic superconductor up to 290K... but noone knows... and a neutron may be required for conduction...

[tim123]

The paper from 2004:
Highly interesting yet this paper is never discussed anywhere.
http://www.space-mixing-theory.com/article2.pdf

A very interesting report. Thanks for sharing

From those results (assuming they're correct), it looks pretty clear that the force goes up linearly with stored energy - cool. Maybe with about 1 Megavolt you could get some serious lift...

I've played around with HV & home made glass plate caps. My HV supply is 2 car ignition coils wired opposite, big diodes & HV cap. It does about 60Kv from a 30v input. It's quite fierce... But, it's not high enough...

Because it doesn't seem to matter which polarity each plate is - they could be half and half - like a wimshurst machine... Or maybe some kind of triboelectric generator could give the massive voltage required...


Tim

PS: I seem to remember a patent (Harold Aspden?) for a triboelectric flyin' saucer...

[leviterande]

Can anyone  link  thos JLN labs experiments with capacitor that  you are talking about? I have known JLN labs for a long time and I dont remember he ever tried pure capacitors.. so a link is appreciated.

Tim123,  If you have some paralell plate capciotrs and a HV supply at hand all you gotta do is to charge it and see any weight changes.a digital scale may need to be shielded or you could use a traditional balance.

I encourage everyone here that have paralell plate capciotrs  and a HV source to test them!  I made tests but the more people that are testing the better we can undertand this issue.,  and this is hardly a complicated experiment, all you need is a cap and a HV source and a scale. With all due respect to Dr Doyle he is either right out loud bluffing or we have something of  most extreme importance here that we need to look into this asap.

And no, the weight loss of a postive plate isnt due to loss of electrons physical weight of course. all you need is inbalance of charge that creates  a different  unbalanced pressure in the ether, thats all + or - does that.

[tim123]

Tim123,  If you have some paralell plate capciotrs and a HV supply at hand all you gotta do is to charge it and see any weight changes.a digital scale may need to be shielded or you could use a traditional balance.

Hi Leviterande
  I have tried to make a 'lifter' using the HV supply, but it didn't work, and I gave up... Not because I don't think it'll work, on the contrary, I think it has been well proven. The Biefield-Brown effect is well known.

The reason I'm not pursuing it ATM is partly *because* it's been well proven... I know that to get any decent effect I'd need many hundreds of kilovolts - and I'm not there yet...

This has prompted me to think about it again though... I was serious about the wimshurst idea, and the triboelectric one. To make a practical device it has to be light - and produce a huge electric field...

Fortunately electrostatics is all about light materials. Glass isnt light at all though...

The limiting factor in these things is:
- dielectric strength
- voltage requirements
- charge leakage
- weight

Let's keep talking about it... It's interesting... I'd like to build an electrostatic machine... And I've always wanted my own flyin saucer

Regards
Tim

[xee2]

Okay; but I don't get in the JL naudin page, how they get from electrostatic charge to electromagnetic antigravity....

The lifters work using Coulomb forces and ionized air.
However there are a number of experiments that do not appear to use ionized air. I found the following to be the most interesting:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lfpt/html/espv1.htm
http://jnaudin.free.fr/lfpt/html/lfpt3xps.htm