Engineering

[MarkE]

Good  evening everyone,


For an engineering project that I am required to do in class, I will be replicating the Stanley Meyer Water Fuel Cell. For my proposal, my adviser would like me to show proof as to way the Meyer cell is better then regular DC electrolysis. As in, why would I want to build a meyer cell over DC electrolysis. What are some benefits of doing this (of course, I have to back this up with evidence, whether it be data or a quote from a creditable source)


I do know that the Meyer cell produces more hydrogen in a given time and uses less power. But does anyone on the forum have any source material which states that? Or any source material at all showing that the meyer cell is better then DC electrolysis?

On what data do you base your belief that Meyer's pulsing was better than DC electrolysis?

[philm]

On what data do you base your belief that Meyer's pulsing was better than DC electrolysis?

I was not able to find data which is what I was hoping the community would be able to help me on; however, I did find this quote:


"Dave Lawton's success in constructing a working VERSION of the Meyer WFC was
reported to produce gas at 3x the Faradic equivalent rate for the power consumed."




From this source: http://www.esmhome.org/library/stan-meyer/ravi.pdf

[philm]

Hello everyone,


Here are some pictures of the cell we are building. Now, all of the pieces are there. We need to do a tad bit of cleaning up and some machining to finish it off. Little things here and there


But, this will be what it looks like after everything is pressed together and bolted.


I hope you will enjoy!


(Also, if the pictures are too big for you, please let me know and I will down convert them for you!

[MarkE]

Tinsel, I was not aware of that, thank you. I will look out for that in my cells. Although , according to Stan's memos, he said that he was using less than 2 mA of current. I doubt that this would provide enough heat to boil water. If that is the case then we just found a new source of free energy.

Now I know that some people will come and post on the forum about stuff and they are not serious. Here are 4 pictures of a small scale prototype that I built today. I will use this for immediate testing until a much larger one is built.

Power boils, current electrolyzes. So, yes it is very possible by simply applying enough voltage that one can boil a lot and electrolyze a little. 

Some of your center tubes look off center enough from their corresponding outer tubes that shorts look possible.  You might want to use some dabs of wax or hot glue to enforce concentricity without blocking the gas path.

[philm]

MarkE,


Thank you for the clarification. I will definitely be keeping this in mind!


Concerning the off center ness, yes that is true. I did actually forget to add this in my post but this was a simple testing fit. There is still a little bit of machining that needs to be done and we did this simply to get an idea of how everything was going to come together. So, it still needs to be taken apart and everything is not tighten down. For example, on the top of the inner electrodes, we are going to machine wrench flats so that we can hold the top with a wrench and screw from the bottom. After putting this together I can figure out why Stan put slit on the top of the outer electrode and if you look closely, there is a hole at the top of the inner electrode. Now, I believe that this allowed him to place a rod there and hold the inner electrode in place as he was tightening the bolt at the bottom. After working on this, that would make the most sense. Now, it is totally possible that there were other reasons. Yes, we are thinking about a way to ensure that the inner electrode does not touch the outer electrode.


Now, if you compare this cell to Stans demonstration unit, they will look eerily familiar, that is because we literally based off of our design from what stan did for the demonstration unit. The tubes on the other hand we got the dimensions from his technical briefing, Birth of a New Technology. It appears that the tubes he recommended in that paper and what is in the demonstration unit are different dimensions. Mainly, the length was different. There are some minor modifications that we did. For example, we did NOT thread in bolt holes into the acrylic. Bad idea. The only part that is threaded is top caps which contain the bushings for the fill port and the gas outlet. And even then, those bushings are permanently sealed in so, if we dismantle anything, we would be screwing and unscrewing on the metal threads rather the plastic threads.


Concerning our inner tube, the wall thickness was thick enough that we were able to directly thread the tube rather then welding a nut to the bottom which is what stan did.