Some tests on mono and bifilar coils

[conradelektro]

Note in the pony case the parallel LC resonator is acting like an open circuit just like it is supposed to.  You move your hand and that represents velocity, and you exert almost no force with your hand to sustain the resonance.  So your hand is "outputting" almost zero mechanical power just like it's supposed to and the "load" is at very high impedance.

So how come we got so much drag/resistance with the pulse motor pickup coil when it was set up like a parallel LC resonator?  (Back to the delayed Lenz issue.)

Here a link to the user manual of my scope UNIT-T UTD2102CM 100 MHz 1GS/s (attached is an image of the math functions):

http://www.pinsonne-elektronik.de/media/daten/UTD2000M%20User%20Manual%20V1.0.pdf

The parallel LC resonator (pick up coil plus 10 µF cap) in front of the spinning magnet seems to be a real power hog in the resonance situation, consuming more than a load resistor alone (no cap) or with a load resistor connected (cap plus load resistor). "Cap plus load resistor" in the resonance situation is a bit less efficient than load resistor alone (no cap).

I have this Ferrite rods (50 mm long, diameter 8 mm) which are supposed to work from 0.1 to 3 MHz. I was thinking of winding a 1:1 transformer on one of these rods?

Greetings, Conrad

[gyulasun]

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So how come we got so much drag/resistance with the pulse motor pickup coil when it was set up like a parallel LC resonator?  (Back to the delayed Lenz issue.)

Hi MileHigh,

The explanation for your question is the loss dissipated at resonance in the DC resistance (26 + 70 Ohm) of Conrad's series bifi coils (tuned to resonance by the 10 uF cap) see results here for air core tests here:
http://www.overunity.com/13460/teslas-coil-for-electro-magnets/msg384371/#msg384371

Watch the AC current (scope CH2) through the 1 Ohm series resistor: in the lack of the 100 Ohm load, i.e. unloaded case, the AC current at resonance is about 184 mA (184 mV/1 Ohm), this dissipates 0.184 A * 0.184 A * 96 Ohm = 3.25 W power in the coils and this caused a certain drag on the prime mover motor (Conrad continuously measured the DC draw of the prime mover motor).

In the loaded case, when Conrad switched the 100 Ohm load onto the LC tank, the AC current in the resonant tank dropped to 104 mA (from 184 mA),  hence the dissipation in the coils also dropped to 0.104 A* 0.104 A* 96 Ohm = 1 W. The loss in the 100 Ohm resistor was (7.6 V * 7.6 V)/100 Ohm = 0.57 W, hence total loss was 1+0.57=1.57 W, less than half of the unloaded case! 
This is why the prime mover motor also had a reduced current draw when the 100 Ohm load was attached across the LC tank  i.e. this less dissipation explains the speed up effect of the rotor under load.

Without the load, the high dissipation was "insured" by continuously maintaining the resonant high AC current circulating in the LC tank by induction from the rotated magnet, the induced voltage across the tank was 22.8 V RMS, while in the loaded case the induced voltage was only 7.6 V RMS (the 100 Ohm attenuated the LC tank) so inside the tank the circulating current was also less, (loaded Q, induced voltage and circulating current in an LC tank are interrelated of course).

These findings indicate the importance of the losses in the generator coils, in the present case mainly due to the DC resistance (and due to eddy current losses in the ferromagnetic core when there is a core) of the coils.

Conrad, you asked:

I have this Ferrite rods (50 mm long, diameter 8 mm) which are supposed to work from 0.1 to 3 MHz. I was thinking of winding a 1:1 transformer on one of these rods?     

Well, yes and I assume you intend to make a bifilarly wound coil (which can also be used as a 1:1 transformer of course).  Try to use thicker wire if you have got some available, to reduce losses.

Gyula

[Farmhand]

Hi Gyula, I agree with all that, also there is the associated Lenz drag caused by the generation of the higher wattage in the unloaded case, in other words the unloaded case has more Lenz drag than the "loaded" case. The artificially induced increased Lenz drag caused by the generation of more power in the unloaded case is relieved somewhat when the load is added. So we are actually seeing an increased Lenz effect, made less by load, but it is contrived. And nothing is outside of how it should be. I stated similar about the increased Lenz drag with no load over 1 year ago.  I could find the old posts over at EF.

I seen through his folly during the first viewing of the first acceleration under load video I watched. It was obviously very inefficient and yet he was claiming something special, I sensed deception. I think my intuition was correct and i think my long held opinion on how he achieves it is also correct, pretty much.

I think my solid state experiments with Tesla coils and the transformer effects back up what I say about the mechanical effect as does my mechanical demonstrations, show it with differing arrangements.

If Thane is unaware of what his setups do then he does not know much and should be ignored. That also makes me wonder what all the "trained" people who looked at it and said there is something interesting happening there were thinking, if at all.

The BiTT is another nice piece of sillyness. Claiming 1000 times OU with less than flea power and drawing lines on the scope.. Pffft. What a scammer. The piper will come for his dues from Thane, and all the other scammers. I'm surprised NASA allowed him to use their responses to his emails and demo's mentioned to be for them  for so long. If I was them I would have forced him to remove any reference to NASA from his you tube page and his website ect. They look bad enough without associating with scammers like Thane.

In my humble opinion Thane probably paid  the Overunityguide entity to do the tests and post the results and tests that he did for him, a true shill was Overunityguide. No sign of him before or since and no other subject was touched on by him.

It's time Thane was outed, as the body of evidence showing he is actively lying to push his agenda is substantial and damning in my opinion.

How much time and experimenter effort has he caused to be wasted ? And how many people has he put in danger trying to replicate his lies ?

To Thane, come and post in this thread. And explain to us why we should not denounce you as a scammer or a misinformation agent.

Cheers

[Magluvin]

I never dug deep into what Thane was doing. But Gotoluc said once that Thane wound his coils in a random back and forth style. Luc said that Thane said it increased the capacitance. There is probably fewer times that 2 wires are next to each other than when they are crossing each other. Funny, My coil that read the most capacitance was not wound as critical as the one with less capacitance.    Maybe there is a connection there. Cant say just that Thane told Luc means that the coils were really wound randomly. Unless Luc had actually seen the coils or if there is evidence of it out there. Dunno. But I believe Luc believes Thane on that.

But anyway, its an interesting 3rd party coil that could be added to the comparison being the claim is increased coil capacitance.

Mags

[Magluvin]

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