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Overunity Machines Forum



Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

Started by mondrasek, February 13, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

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TinselKoala

Quote from: webby1 on March 24, 2014, 11:39:54 AM
Well then,, why don't you show us all how you can stop gravity from accelerating something without an opposing force.

You are sounding like one of those " I will only show the half that helps me" kind of people.
You are still confusing force with work.

MarkE

Quote from: mondrasek on March 24, 2014, 01:03:53 PM
How much Work is done when the water above the piston is lifted?
0.5*pWater*G0*pi/4*44mm2*HLIFT2, where HLIFT <= 2.5899mm
For the maximum case of 2.5899mm = 49.9uJ.

ETA: Actually, since this mechanism is dumping the correct equation is:

pWater*G0*pi/4*44mm2*2.5899mm*HLIFT - 0.5*pWater*G0*pi/4*44mm2*HLIFT2, where HLIFT <= 2.5899mm

At the maximum stroke of 2.5899mm it yields the same answer, but for shorter strokes the simpler equation above is incorrect.  It would for example show only 12.5uJ energy out for the first 1.295mm stroke instead of the correct 37.5uJ of the corrected equation.

MarkE

Quote from: webby1 on March 24, 2014, 01:12:50 PM
Right, because the water never falls down to equalize,, so that means there is no water motion and therefore no force over any distance..  Right MarkE.

Sure you can Reduce the force to zero, when the two columns are at the same height then the water will no longer just accelerate away.

There is that other column that is applying a force against it however, and since now there is no motion there is no energy change.
Context?

powercat

Quote from: mrwayne on March 24, 2014, 12:23:43 PM
I will check in next week and see if you have actually tied to unravel the system.
Is that a promise ? or will you be back before next week ? 

You keep regurgitating the same old rhetoric, you will never offer anything else except twist and spin and that classic you love to play, "you're not looking hard enough" (as MarkE would quote you) look it's behind the curtain, No not that curtain the other one, and so on and so on you go with your BS pretending you have something.  You're so obvious, for most of us here it's like shooting fish in a barrel when you make your statements without any evidence.
When logic and proportion Have fallen
Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall

powercat

Quote from: MarkE on March 24, 2014, 01:36:50 PM
Context?
Like most of his statements,
Misleading, Evasive, Vague, Delusional, Repetitive,

Never will he come up with a working device, and he knows it, his history shows it, he only got involved with the ZED again because $2000 Wayne came back. his previous posts shows he had given up on the ZED and was involved in other overunity threads,
When logic and proportion Have fallen
Go ask Alice When she's ten feet tall