Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[mrwayne]

Heh... guess what, I don't have to "rove" or prove anything at all! YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING CLAIMS, it is up to you to "rove" them. But you cannot, all you can do is point to LarryC's apparently two dimensional spreadsheet numbers. Where is the self-running system you have claimed to have? Nowhere, that's where. Go ahead, prove me wrong. You cannot !

I am a really nice guy - so if this is too much - let me apologize up front:

Here is what I have learned from your last 300+ postings

Larry has demonstrated more intelligence and capability than I have ever seen from you and your socks.

You could learn three things from Larry - manners, due diligences (before slander),  and how non conservative is possible.

Monderask and Larry has supplied what you need. Stop wasting my time with your diversions.

Mathematical Analysis - take your time.

Wayne

[TinselKoala]

TK, here the "red box" has been drawn around the ZED system.  The charge water is not shown in the diagram on the left, but is assumed to cross that barrier and enter the system into the pod chamber to result in the state of the center diagram.  When doing so, air in the outer annulus (shown in yellow) is also pushed across that barrier.  Then when the system is allowed to stroke, the Outer Riser (and the volume within it's borders) crosses the barrier at the top.  When doing so, the initial volume of air in the outer annulus crosses back into the system, and is followed by even more air.  Therefore the system is open to the atmosphere, right?  Am I misunderstanding what you presented?

What would you do if I told you I was colorblind?

Just kidding. The outer part always sees the same pressure from the outside air, whether the yellow lines are out, in, or neutral. Therefore the outer air pressure doesn't make any difference between the three states. Open to the atmosphere is one thing, able to be affected by it is another. Your system is NOT open in the same way that the Cartesian Diver is, where the surrounding fluid pressure changes DO affect the buoyancy.

[TinselKoala]

I am a really nice guy - so if this is too much - let me apologize up front:

Here is what I have learned from your last 300+ postings

Larry has demonstrated more intelligence and capability than I have ever seen from you and your socks.

You could learn three things from Larry - manners, due diligences (before slander),  and how non conservative is possible.

Monderask and Larry has supplied what you need. Stop wasting my time with your diversions.

Mathematical Analysis - take your time.

Wayne

Again you misrepresent me and what I am and what I do. On this side of the Red River, we call that Lying, and it's a violation of one of the Ten Commandments: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. Remember that one?

YOU could learn a thing or two about what is required to support a claim like yours, and it isn't error-full spreadsheets making false assumptions.

YOU are wasting OUR time, and everyone else's time, by not demonstrating the truth (sic) of your claims. But of course we know that you cannot.

How did your meeting go? Pretty short meeting. Did you cut it short to rush back here and insult me, yet again?

[TinselKoala]

In actual practice the gaps are adjusted to maintain water head at a desired performance level in each Riser.

This sure sounds to me like you have a "desired performance level" at the outset, and you "adjust" the data in order to reach that level. Is that really the way experimental research is done?

[MileHigh]

Wayne:

Monderask and Larry has supplied what you need

Without being specific to Larry because I haven't followed his spreadsheet, I note MarkE's comments:

In order to determine the magnitude of the error, one has to reverse engineer your spreadsheet, guess your intent, then substitute the correct relationships and evaluate the differences.  That is a big PITA and rather unreasonable.  It would be very helpful for you to state your assumptions, and for you to perform sanity tests on your own as to the validity of those assumptions.

And yet you endorse LarryC.   You endorse Webby when he can barely explain himself.   You are one piece of work.

With respect to you:

I am a really nice guy

- brainwashing attempt

Larry has demonstrated more intelligence and capability

- brainwashing attempt

and how non conservative is possible

- brainwashing attempt

Monderask and Larry has supplied what you need

- brainwashing attempt

due diligences

That one I can latch onto and agree with.

Wayne, please demonstrate YOURSELF that YOU have something.  That is the real due diligence.

Do you have anything?  ANYTHING?

MileHigh