Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[minnie]

    Wayne,
              perhaps I missed it too!
                                      John.
      An honest man doesn't tell a lie.

[TinselKoala]

That particular "honest man" avoids telling lies by not telling the TRUTH.

The current editions of his websites have toned down the free energy claims quite a bit. But the internet never forgets. Use the wayback machine to examine some of the older versions and you will really get an idea. Powercat has preserved many of the broken promises ...er, sorry, ..."expectations not met" that he was making in those old newsletters and on the site itself. Hydro Energy Revolution, I think it was called then.... the operation has even changed its name since then. Why? We know why.

I've never _altered_ any photograph from Travis and for him to accuse me of doing so is an offense. The most I've done is to take a frame from the video, not the same one MarkE showed by the way, and point out another set of elevated wires or cables that appear to me to be from the top of the machine somewhere, going through the air back over to the barn. No ALTERATION was performed by me, I just wanted to know what Travis's explanation was for those wires or cables. It was about then that he started getting really nasty towards me, he denied that what I indicated had anything to do with the (half sick, unbalanced) operation of that machine, but he never did say what they _were_ for, and he's dodged the issue again since MarkE pointed out similar things in another frame.

For him to believe that I am minnie, MarkE and MileHigh, etc, or that I have anything to do with their posts is an easily disprovable paranoid delusion, literally, on the part of Wayne Travis. Who is clearly posting here as LarryC and RedSunset-- right? No, because they at least know how to use spellcheckers and to speak in complete English sentences that make sense.

Give Professor Zaman a call and produce an endorsement from him. But you will not. You will never dare to let real academic engineers with reputations at stake, anywhere near your actual apparatus.

CONTACT INFORMATION : EMAIL: zaman(at)ou.edu PHONE : (405) 325-4536 FAX : (405) 325-7508

[TinselKoala]

John,

Once again - that is a bull face lie -

First I will repeat - my family who supported - will not release their shares for ten times the amount.

None are disgruntled.

Second - Our new benefactor - is not allowed to buy their shares.

Third - they first rights ----

and fourh - I gave that power point and explained that the Grant committee sent me to a third Party - hence a new benefactor....

You omit and lie constantly - and have never backed up your objections.

So stop being a liar. Stop doctoring photo - to make more lies, just do the math right.

p.s. I can back up my claims. PERIOD.

Wayne

John,

Once again - that is a bull face lie -

Are you addressing me? Then I would appreciate it if you would say so.
Are you saying that none of your original investors have wanted out? Then you are lying to me, either now or in the video presentation I've shown a little clip from. Yes, I have the whole thing.

Or more likely, both.

First I will repeat - my family who supported - will not release their shares for ten times the amount.

None are disgruntled.

Did I mention your family at all, ever? No, I do not think I have, so your statement there is irrelevant to what I said.

Second - Our new benefactor - is not allowed to buy their shares.

You mean that your lawyers have advised you that it is likely illegal for you to _sell him_ those shares.

Third - they first rights ----

they first rights ---- Is that an English sentence that conveys meaning?

and fourh - I gave that power point and explained that the Grant committee sent me to a third Party - hence a new benefactor....

And those little red squiggles under your words mean that even your spellchecker objects to your rantings. Hence a new benefactor: a benefactor does not expect return for his benificence. INVESTORS DO.

You omit and lie constantly - and have never backed up your objections.

So stop being a liar. Stop doctoring photo - to make more lies, just do the math right.

I am not doing math, Travis, and I have never ever "doctored" a photograph other than to provide indicator markings and notations to what is ALREADY THERE. Your accusations against me are false, especially that "never backed up" part, as the record shows.

p.s. I can back up my claims. PERIOD.

Wayne

No you cannot. You can't even answer Minnie's question. You are lying by omission, you are lying outright, and I don't know how you sleep at night, since you apparently believe in a Higher Power who will eventually be judging us all with a rather final and unappealable judgement.

You have claimed to be able to make a self running machine that produces "net" energy output over and above the "no input energy" required to run it. No input, no exhaust, just "net production" output, your words. You cannot back up this claim with actual data. In fact you have NEVER EVER supplied any actual data, you just repost, what, three or four times now, the exact same non-descriptive logorrhea that you always spout.

Show us the sausages. But you cannot, o Honest, Open-Source Researcher Wayne Travis. Your whole story is the same as the Emperor's New Clothes. Your sycophants don't want to admit that they can't figure out what you are describing, so they  nod their heads and mutter to themselves, yah sure, he's a Christian how could he be lying, he has all these engineers (where, who, where's the paper in an IEEE journal) who agree with him and we'll make a bundle if he ever makes a sausage. So none of them is willing to point the finger and say that there is really nothing there but a naked fat old man prancing about at the head of a parade of blind mice and lemmings.

However, less than an hour's drive away from you, MISTER WAYNE, there is a world-class mechanical engineering school. Let's see an endorsement from someone who has some credibilty in the world of engineering, not some incompetent spreadsheeter that can't even do algebra properly.

The properly executed spreadsheet on a properly constructed theoretical model, which you endorsed, has been demonstrated to be incapable of performing better than a dropped stone.

[MarkE]

Any one who cares, which does not seem to be the author of this spreadsheet, here are a few small numbers from the spreadsheet that "prove" there is still a buoyant lift acting on all the risers and the pod.

ST3AR1HEIGHT   30.005671   mm
ST3AR2AIRHEIGHT   49.650851   mm
ST3AR2HEIGHT   11.349149   mm
ST3AR3HEIGHT   49.365980   mm
STAR4AIRHEIGHT   41.182248   mm
ST3AR4HEIGHT   21.817752   mm
ST3AR5HEIGHT   40.637996   mm
ST3AR6AIRHEIGHT   35.652566   mm
ST3AR6HEIGHT   29.347434   mm
ST3AR7HEIGHT   33.968809   mm

The author of the spreadsheet also did not include the energy of restraint needed to hold the risers and the author did not allow for the full lift distance.

If you look at the details you will see that MarkE ONLY included the numbers to support his view,, he did NOT include a complete report nor any supporting numbers against his view.

edit to remove an un-needed inflammatory piece

Webby are you really unaware of the fact that force is not energy:  "The author of the spreadsheet also did not include the energy of restraint needed to hold the risers and the author did not allow for the full lift distance."  When the risers are restrained, they do not move.  That's what restrained means.  The spreadsheet fully accounts for the fluid movements during states when the risers are restrained.

You can choose to ignore Mondrasek's stipulation all you want.  Slay that man of straw.

[TinselKoala]

While all this math analysis is interesting, let's not forget, shall we, where the burden of proof actually lies, and what kind of information is acceptable as proof of Travis's claims. Had he what he claims over and over, here on this Open Source website, he could prove it easily enough, since he has a self running tabletop perpetual water pump. Just show that.

Travis, since you have disclosed your invention publicly already (the patent applications, which by law must include sufficient information so that a person skilled in the art can make one and make it fulfil the claims of the patent application) your "benefactor" cannot prevent you from demonstrating the truth of your claim by showing what is in the patent actually running.

Remember, honest Wayne Travis, the discussions we had back in the old thread, when you repeatedly claimed to have a patent, when you didn't, and I had to show you that it is actually illegal to sell something claiming a patent when there is only an application, not even "patent pending" status? You finally stopped making the "have a patent" claim because of that pressure from me, didn't you. Again, you are following the Steorn (and Ainslie) script exactly on that one.