Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

[mondrasek]

X ds signifies the change in X per per infinitesimal change in S.  ds is not S, and cannot be substituted for or by S.ds is calculus notation. integral( F*ds ) only equals F*S for the unique condition that F is a constant, and the evaluation is from zero to S.  Under all conditions where F is a function of S, such as applies here, the integral(F*ds) must be solved.Distance can be constant.  That does not mean that force along a path is constant.  Here is a simple compression spring problem:  F = -kX, where k is the spring constant.  Let's make it simple and say that k = 10N/m.  How much energy does it require to compress the spring by 100cm?

a. 0.05J
b. 0.5J
c. 1J
d. 5J
e. none of the above

How much energy does it require to compress the spring by 1m?

a. 0.05J
b. 0.5J
c. 1J
d. 5J
e. none of the above

MarkE, please respond to one reply at a time.  Try to not mix my replies into an amalgamation that I should have to decipher.

You have not defined yet what "X" represents.   Or what "S" represents.

And I suggest that we stay focused only on the Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED for the purpose of clarity.  Discussing mechanical springs may be equivalent to the unique construction of a ZED for the purposes of the point you are trying to make, but that implied "analogy" is not focused solely on this device.  And so your introduction of the "springs" are a distraction from the Analysis at hand.


F*ds is the correct way to calculate the Energy that enters or leaves the single ideal ZED system being Analyzed, do you agree?


To be 100% clear, are we now only discussing the Analysis of the single riser (semi) ZED system that I presented earlier today?  Is that the one I should prepare the physical resistance to lift (work accumulator) for in the morning?  Or did you want to try this on the 3-layer one?

BTW, I know that a negative or even condescending "tone" can be implied when reading this post.  But please understand that it is not meant that way and accept my apologies for any offense I may have implied.  I did not mean any offense, and I have great respect for your talent and skills.  I am only trying to correspond in a "tone neutral" way, which to me at least, comes off kind of like an ass.

Sorry if I offended you in any way.  It was not my intention.

M.

[Magluvin]

And I suggest that we stay focused only on the Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED for the purpose of clarity.  Discussing mechanical springs may be equivalent to the unique construction of a ZED for the purposes of the point you are trying to make, but that implied "analogy" is not focused solely on this device.  And so your introduction of the "springs" are a distraction from the Analysis at hand.

[MarkE]

MarkE, please respond to one reply at a time.  Try to not mix my replies into an amalgamation that I should have to decipher.

You have not defined yet what "X" represents.   Or what "S" represents.

And I suggest that we stay focused only on the Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED for the purpose of clarity.  Discussing mechanical springs may be equivalent to the unique construction of a ZED for the purposes of the point you are trying to make, but that implied "analogy" is not focused solely on this device.  And so your introduction of the "springs" are a distraction from the Analysis at hand.


F*ds is the correct way to calculate the Energy that enters or leaves the single ideal ZED system being Analyzed, do you agree?

No, I do not agree.

To be 100% clear, are we now only discussing the Analysis of the single riser (semi) ZED system that I presented earlier today?  Is that the one I should prepare the physical resistance to lift (work accumulator) for in the morning?  Or did you want to try this on the 3-layer one?

The single layer device is what we are discussing.

BTW, I know that a negative or even condescending "tone" can be implied when reading this post.  But please understand that it is not meant that way and accept my apologies for any offense I may have implied.  I did not mean any offense, and I have great respect for your talent and skills.  I am only trying to correspond in a "tone neutral" way, which to me at least, comes off kind of like an ass.

Sorry if I offended you in any way.  It was not my intention.

M.

I have responded to each of your questions one by one.  X is a quantity that relates to the quantity we are evaluating as a square function.  It is not specific to a particular problem.  X could for example be voltage on a capacitor, deflection of a spring, or the head of water in some column, where the quantity that we are interested in is energy.  In each case the energy is a linear function of X². 

S is a distance.  Do not confuse S for ds  They are not the same.

I keep explaining the math.  I have used analogies where the math is the same.

No, F*ds is the quantity that you must integrate over the path S to obtain the energy expended doing so.  Where F is not a constant, the integral will be more complicated than F*S.

Some simple cheats for you:

integral( K1*ds ) = K1*(S_END - S_START)
integral( K2*Sds ) = 0.5*K2*(S_END² - S_START²)

Filling or emptying a single column of water is described by:

F = pWater * G₀ * Area * Height
P = F/Area = pWater * G₀ * Height
E = integral( F*ds ) = integral( pWater * G₀ * Area * Height dh) = 0.5 * pWater * G₀ * Area * (Height_END² - Height_Start²)

[Magluvin]

The extraordinary claim is by Wayne Travis / HER / Zydro.  Extraordinary claims are false on their face until proven by the claimant.  How many years has it been and Wayne Travis has not offered a shred of evidence that:  He can alter the conservative nature of gravity, generate the endless energy, or any energy that he claims.  Each of those is an extraordinary claim.  Each is false on its face.

Well, if it is soo extra ordinary and 'predetermined' that the claim is false because of its extraordinary status, then why all the fuss??  There must be better reasons than just trying to get him to admit defeat for the sole purpose of getting him to concede.   

Like why not go after the guys that put out the "build a magnet motor to run your home" info for just $49.95 Guarantied Money Back If Not Satisfied.  No real problems with those claims, huh? Nobody getting ripped off there, huh?  Did you see the comma placements there?  lol

I know why none of you go after those guys. Its being 'allowed'. Allowed because it is a ripoff that discourages people from believing in the possibility of free energy or OU by cheating the ones that like the idea of it when they read the ads. Thats why the ads persist.  No big raids, nothing. Its funny how they can keep 'advertizing' without being shut down, isnt it? These ads are EVERYWHERE!!. Not challenging enough for you?? Screw the fools that purchase these false hopes??? I thought that was what your goals were, to rid the world of OU ripoffs. 

Best to attack the little guy in a little thread on some forum, who is just trying to help a few guys understand something they never knew? ?

All considered, it makes me think you guys are trying to shut Wayne down for more sinister reasons.          

Mags

[MarkE]

Well, if it is soo extra ordinary and 'predetermined' that the claim is false because of its extraordinary status, then why all the fuss??  There must be better reasons than just trying to get him to admit defeat for the sole purpose of getting him to concede.   

Like why not go after the guys that put out the "build a magnet motor to run your home" info for just $49.95 Guarantied Money Back If Not Satisfied.  No real problems with those claims, huh? Nobody getting ripped off there, huh?  Did you see the comma placements there?  lol

I know why none of you go after those guys. Its being 'allowed'. Allowed because being it is a ripoff that discourages people from believing in the possibility of free energy or OU by cheating the ones that like the idea of it when they read the ads. Thats why the ads persist.  No big raids, nothing. Its funny how they can keep 'advertizing' without being shut down, isnt it? These ads are EVERYWHERE!!. Not challenging enough for you?? Screw the fools that purchase these false hopes??? I thought that was what your goals were, to rid the world of OU ripoffs. 

Best to attack the little guy in a little thread on some forum, who is just trying to help a few guys understand something they never knew? ?

All considered, it makes me think you guys are trying to shut Wayne down for more sinister reasons.          

Mags

Wayne Travis is unlikely to come out and admit his lies until there is an advantage for him to do so.  Mondrasek asked for help analyzing a the physics.  I offered to help and have done so.  Wayne came here  spewing his usual lies.  He injected himself with those lies here, and like others I have objected.  If you are unhappy about the people selling those bogus free energy plans, then you are free to try and do something about it.