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Overunity Machines Forum



Mathematical Analysis of an Ideal ZED

Started by mondrasek, February 13, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

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MarkE

Quote from: mrwayne on April 14, 2014, 08:18:29 AM
Our system works the opposite of a spring - which is why we get lift without consuming the Pv in transfer......
No it does't Mr. Fraud.  Push down on the risers, and the weight of the displaced water and compressed air pushes them back against your effort.   That's what springs do:  exert force against the direction of motion.  Maybe you and your brain trust should brush up by getting a high school kid to tutor your team on basic mechanics.
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Our ZED gets taller as the Pv heads (in series) - adjust for the energy storage - and the production occurs externally to keep the energy inside the system.
It's another early morning bafflegab treat!
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Since the spring analogy jumps a transfer process - lets cover it now.
"jumps a transfer process" LOL.
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The PV input into a ZED gets stored as HEAD pressure and volume. The more the Head to be stored - the taller the series of Head columns.
It's truly remarkable how hard you work to avoid describing energy input and energy output in your alleged free energy machine.  How much energy do you think 10cc of hydraulic fluid under 10 BAR has?  How much do you think 100cc of hydraulic fluid under 100 BAR has?
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Head columns in series are far more efficient that a single column - because of the exponential increase and reduction in both time and volume to reach pressure.
LOL, the only thing that is "exponential" is your chutzpah.  The nested Russian dolls of ignorance simply apply Archimedes' Paradox.  Every dry dock in the world also applies the same principle.  It is not new.  It does not yield surplus energy.
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The ZED is preloaded with External resistance (hydraulic) - when that point is reached (to over come the resistance) the system has only one choice - expand.
A spring on the other hand - gets shorter until the load is over come and then travels with the load...
Such ignorance:  A compression spring expands towards its relaxed, IE zero energy state.  A ZED expands ... wait for it ... towards its relaxed, IE zero energy state.
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If you compressed a spring and it lifted the load while compressing to match the load now that is a horse of a different color..........
Wayne

You have just demonstrated that the ZED does in fact emulate (poorly) a compression spring.

MarkE

Quote from: mrwayne on April 14, 2014, 08:31:45 AM
The question with assumptions that preceded this questions I corrected on the last post ..
Yet the rest of the question is correct - we do have to make up the mechanical losses between the transfer of pv  from side to side.....
The cool thing is this - the transfer cost is much cheaper than the External load - and as a added benefit - the two pv's equalize at not cost... so half the transfer "Could be" loss free -
I say could be - because we are dumping high pressure to low - the "Stupid weights" as MarkE called them on the transfer system were used  to correct that dump transfer by loading the system during the equalization and then benefiting from the load on the other side.
p.s. The water tube was much more effecting than the weights...
In conclusion - the actual cost to operate a ZED is mechanical loss in the transfer system - not consumption of the PV (which does not happen in the ZED).
Now - that cost is pretty low when the whole system is considered.
The cool thing is this:  You offer fantastical and completely false claims, but some people are dumb enough to believe them and give you money.  Now the trick is how to make your exit without retribution. 

The great news is that it is another beautiful day in southern NV.  Viva!  Las Vegas!

mrwayne

Quote from: LibreEnergia on April 13, 2014, 11:58:12 PM
You are completely fooling yourself here.  The amount of energy put in to the system is not somehow magically multiplied by the geometry of the masses ,  boat or container.  If you think otherwise then you are absolutely mistaken.

Some geometries may amplify the FORCES involved but the distances those forces can act over is correspondingly reduced as it is simply a lever)

Now, it is true that the layered ZED system when considering forces only does give rise to a 'non linear' lever.

However when considering ENERGY this no longer applies. As the effective leverage of the system changes so to does the distance over which those forces can act change.

Energy is still conserved and no amount of manipulation of the geometry will change that.


I do not have time to follow all your ideas, but I do not think the ZED creates energy?? So I do not know you point?
"but this comment:
"Some geometries may amplify the FORCES involved but the distances those forces can act over is correspondingly reduced as it is simply a lever)"
Is incorrect....
The corresponding reduction does not match a lever.
A lever in simple terms trades mass for distance - a small load can lift a large load but the small load has to travel further at a higher speed.......
In the ZED, the serpentine effect in the layers each reduce the distance the lighter load must travel.
That is KEY to understand..... and why we originally called it a folded liquid lever system.
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As an example we move our input head (in the old ZED) three feet to generate 24 foot of head.
So we have the potential of 24 foot for 3... WE Move the short end of the lever....... to lift an equal load....
I know that is difficult.......... but so was designing a free energy machine....   

mrwayne

To MarkE, MH, Powercat, and TK.
You have proven to be nothing but Ego inflated Trolls.
I have given you precious time and you gamed it.........assumptions, diversions, lies, manipulation's threats and attempts at suppression....
I wish any of you four were at least half the man Mark D is; he has proven how a true skeptic, a professional, and an honorable man.

To the rest of you: If you have a valid technical questions - I would be glad to answer it.
I have four days left..
Thanks
Wayne

MarkE

Quote from: mrwayne on April 14, 2014, 08:49:17 AM
I do not have time to follow all your ideas, but I do not think the ZED creates energy?? So I do not know you point?
"but this comment:
"Some geometries may amplify the FORCES involved but the distances those forces can act over is correspondingly reduced as it is simply a lever)"
Is incorrect....
The corresponding reduction does not match a lever.
The successively smaller annular rings act just like a lever.
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A lever in simple terms trades mass for distance - a small load can lift a large load but the small load has to travel further at a higher speed.......
No, levers trade force gain for distance gain.  Mass never enters into it.  Neither does speed.
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In the ZED, the serpentine effect in the layers each reduce the distance the lighter load must travel.
That is KEY to understand..... and why we originally called it a folded liquid lever system.
You were doing better at first.  It is just a serpentined hydraulic ram.  By leaving one end open:  AR7, you crippled that long known and useful device and turned it into a crummy spring emulation.
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...............
As an example we move our input head (in the old ZED) three feet to generate 24 foot of head.
So we have the potential of 24 foot for 3... WE Move the short end of the lever....... to lift an equal load....
I know that is difficult.......... but so was designing a free energy machine....
You have never designed, or built, or ever had a means to build a working free energy machine.  All of your contraptions are fundamentally lossy.