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Acoustic magnetic generator.

Started by synchro1, February 15, 2014, 06:07:02 PM

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synchro1

@Milehigh,


Here's what I think to be Jerry Bayles's best video including a sound tract: He conducts five tests and discusses an electrogravitational frequency of 10.03 hrz along with the Schumman constant of 7.83 hrz. View tests 3 and 4. Bayles understands the nature of the Shumman resonance cavity between space and ground. Explain why you don't believe there is extra energy generated in Bayles balance magnets at the resonant frequencies he remarks about. There's an inverse conversion factor, and he's measuring in micro seconds.


Bayles's analysis of the Chiral effect, excluding equality of field strength in magnets of equal strength and the possibility of propulsion back and forth from rotation is of special interest as well:


The fundamental electrogravitational frequency of 10.03 Hz is measured as a strong resonance along with others that prove the standing wave field exists around the disk magnets which leads to chiral energy differences that arise from a spiral geometry moving outwards from the disks. This is free energy and proof that energy is not balanced around the disks.

This sounds extremely complex, but Jerry's experiments would be very simple to replicate.


http://www.electrogravity.com/BMRT/BalMagResTests_6.mov

verpies

Quote from: itsu on March 11, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
Ok,  back on topic:  Acoustic Magnetic Generator.
I put something together using a 40W Piezo element and 2 ferrite rods on each side of this piezo.
Generally that's a good arrangement because as the piezo expands and shrinks the two rods constitute symmetrical counterpoises to that motion ...on both sides of the piezo.  What's are the lengths of these rods anyway?

In order to get a clear visualization of the acoustic standing waves forming in the ferrite rod, that are not affected by capacitive and magnetic sensing artifacts, please take a Dremel tool with a diamond wheel and cut a small groove in the rod as shown here.
Fill the groove with fine dry sand and observe as the sand collects at nodes of longitudinal standing waves, as you vary the piezo drive frequency.
BTW: use some kind of a linear slide to guide the Dremel tool (or the rod) in order to grind a straight groove of constant depth.

Please do not skip this node visualization tool.

Quote from: itsu on March 11, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
For the time being i tested with my FG output (20V pp) only, but probably need some more power into the piezo by using a transformer or my Amplifier.
Yes, PA+IMT should be good for that purpose.

Quote from: itsu on March 11, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
I "clamp" the both ferrite rods to the piezo by 2 neo magnets, not sure if this interferes with the flux from the ceramic magnets forming the loop.
That's clever but the magnets will cause acoustic reflections due to the discontinuity in the speed of sound in them.
Also note that NdFeB, SmCo and AlNiCo magnets are electrically conductive and thus no good at HF because eddy currents form in them - they act as shorted turns at HF.

Quote from: itsu on March 11, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
I pick up some signals with a 93mH/180 Ohm coil.
A narrow coil is fine for detecting permeability and flux changes in the rod, however before you start trusting that coil as an AC field sensor you should determine its LC resonance frequency because this coil will have a lot of interwinding capacitance which will form an LC tank with its self-inductance.
Once you determine this LC resonance frequency, you should remember not to trust this sensor coil at this frequency.

Also, note that the piezo can be a source of intense AC electric fields, that can capacitively couple to various sensors and scope probes.  Use idle scope probes to feel around the piezo to determine how much of a capacitive coupling problem you have.  If it is obnoxious then shield the piezo and its clips/wires with grounded copper foil (without touching the piezo or the ferrite rods with the foil).

Quote from: itsu on March 11, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
I am still trying to fully understand the patent which can be found here
Comments are welcome. Video here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Pachec48I&feature=youtu.be   
The author of this patent does not mention NAR.  He mentions only the Villari effect.  Maybe this device inadvertently causes NAR if it is subjected to an accidental magnetic field at a 90ยบ angle.

General advices:
1) Remember to pay special attention to any frequency doublings (I think your video showed it at one point)
2) Even a paper-thin air gap in a magnetic path can easily increase its reluctance by 10x.
3) Remember that the differential permeability of permanent magnets is close to air/vacuum and because of that permanent magnets not make good AC magnetic flux guides.  Even high permeability magnetic flux guides do not function well if they are gaped, thin or if the width to height aspect ratio of the flux path exceeds 1.5:1.

MileHigh

Synchro1:

I looked at the clip.  Here is what I think the setup is:  There is a signal generator that is controlling the speed of a small motor.  The small motor drives two big radially-magnetized disk magnets.  Above the disk magnets there is something that resembles a weather vane.  There are magnets on the "weather vane" that cause it to flutter due to the changing magnetic fields.  At the right frequency the weather vane starts to spin.

Is that accurate?

If it is, then you are looking at a synchronous motor.  The weather vane is pushed around by the changing magnetic fields and then eventually the frequency is right and it starts to rotate synchronously with the big spinning magnetic disks.  So there is no resonance here.  This is a variation on all the clips were an (off camera) rotating magnet makes a bunch of little ball magnets in separate bowls start to run around in circles.

MileHigh

synchro1

Quote from: MileHigh on March 12, 2014, 09:41:26 PM
Synchro1:

I looked at the clip.  Here is what I think the setup is:  There is a signal generator that is controlling the speed of a small motor.  The small motor drives two big radially-magnetized disk magnets.  Above the disk magnets there is something that resembles a weather vane.  There are magnets on the "weather vane" that cause it to flutter due to the changing magnetic fields.  At the right frequency the weather vane starts to spin.

Is that accurate?

If it is, then you are looking at a synchronous motor.  The weather vane is pushed around by the changing magnetic fields and then eventually the frequency is right and it starts to rotate synchronously with the big spinning magnetic disks.  So there is no resonance here.  This is a variation on all the clips were an (off camera) rotating magnet makes a bunch of little ball magnets in separate bowls start to run around in circles.

MileHigh


Wrong! You're looking at two axially magnetized spinning disk magnets in a Faraday Homopolar configuration. The magnetic fields are stationary. The Chiral effect, like the left hand rule, causes one of the equally magnetized disks to grow more powerful, depending on the spin direction. The non equilibrium is contested at the perimeter where the balance magnets are located. This oscillation is determined by the spin frequency! This is an A vector potential and has nothing to do with conventional Lenz related output!

verpies

Quote from: synchro1 on March 13, 2014, 12:11:45 AM
Quote from: MileHigh on March 12, 2014, 09:41:26 PM
The small motor drives two big radially-magnetized disk magnets.
Wrong! You're looking at two axially magnetized spinning disk magnets
Please keep the discussion coherent and at a decent debating level.
He wrote "radial" - not "axial".

Quote from: synchro1 on March 13, 2014, 12:11:45 AM
Quote from: MileHigh on March 12, 2014, 09:41:26 PM
If it is, then you are looking at a synchronous motor. 
...in a Faraday Homopolar configuration.
There you go again.
He wrote "synchronous", not "Homopolar"

Quote from: synchro1 on March 13, 2014, 12:11:45 AM
Quote from: MileHigh on March 12, 2014, 09:41:26 PM
...flutter due to the changing magnetic fields
The magnetic fields are stationary.
Why are they stationary if their sources are non-uniform and moving?
Anyway, Milehigh specifically wrote about changing magnetinc fields, not about moving or non-stationary fields.
Conflation of "changing" with "moving" confuses direction with magnitude and brings the discussion to a new lower level.

Quote from: synchro1 on March 13, 2014, 12:11:45 AM
The Chiral effect, like the left hand rule, causes one of the equally magnetized disks to grow more powerful, depending on the spin direction.
This statement seems to imply that the magnetic field is non-constant after all.  According to the statement above, the field "grows" as a result of some spinning motion.
Is there a relationship of the flux or flux density to time or angular position?  Is this relationship periodic or monotonic?