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Work from 2 magnets > 19% output 2

Started by Floor, February 17, 2014, 01:53:56 PM

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lumen

@floor

I was doing some testing in a 3D simulator for any gain from the twisting or sliding together of thin magnets and it appears that it is possible to achieve a gain.
Like in the clip I posted where two long thin magnets can pull together repelling faces due to the attraction to the back side faces being stronger than the area of repelling faces.

It appears the back side face connection also assists in the rotation to the full repelling face alignment which allows for less work to rotate the magnets into alignment than what is required to directly force together the repelling faces. Very much the same as you are testing or maybe the concept of the Miller machine.




Floor

@ lumen

I think that The "back side face connection" and / or the
domain re orientations are factors... but it appears to me that
primarily, the force interactions in rotating as opposed to sliding
magnet approaches are fundamentally different from those found
in the case of any known mechanical linkage.

In other words, I'm saying that while convention would lead us toward
conventional mechanics in search of explanation, the primary explanation
for the O.U. simply can not be found there.

Back side interactions are not dominant in the "twist drive" interactions...
the magnets are polarized on the broad sides and it is a deep reach to
what would be considered their back sides.

But were still  on the same page.

                 thanks
                         floor

As per always these designs are given into the public domain.

PS please find the attached PNG file

Floor


Floor

I don't know why the PNG file is so over size.  JPGs yes...
but first time one of a PNG has turned up so large.

(Better to rigkt click and then click on view rather than
scroll aroung on the PNG)

note

RO magnets and SL magnets can be sequenced as in the above file, but aslo the number of
magnets used is not limited to that number in the PNG file.

Output by SL, can be based around attraction of SL to RO, repultion of SL to RO or combinations of both.
depending upon magnet orientations.

Multiple parallel TD units may be benificially mechanically linked.

lumen

@floor
I agree that there is little back face interaction when the poles are on the magnets sides and are twisted together as in your setup and there would need to be something else going on to see any OU effects.
The EDEN project was one of the first magnet interactions I tested and found by using a digital scale instead of the spring scale they used, I found no extra force in their experiment.

Then recently after reading again that the effect was greater using thin magnets over the cubes originally used, I thought it might be worth testing again and also because the Miller device appears to use the same concept.
Putting some logic behind the reason for the claimed OU gain is why I thought the connection to the back side faces assisting in the rotation may be the source.