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[e2matrix]

E2matrix:

I may try to address your full posting tomorrow (I am over tired right now), but right now I just want to touch on this one point:

"Just as every cop is a criminal, and all the sinners saints."

You say "slavery" and I say "freedom."

You really and truly and truly use the term "slavery."  It's an often repeated cliche that we have all read thousands of times.  I say the true term is "freedom."

I challenge you to "think outside of the box" and tell me why the word should be "freedom."  Come on now, I challenge you to turn your thinking around by 180 degrees and argue why the word should be "freedom."

I am not saying that you have to think like that.  Rather, I am challenging you to use your intellect to argue the opposite argument to what you are stating.  Let's see some intelligent rhetoric and logical reasoning and deduction from you to argue "freedom" as opposed to "slavery."

MileHigh

LOL you picked up on that ....  and you are right that many of us in America have a lot of freedom and things have gotten better and better in the last hundred years in many ways.   But I say slavery because I am pushing for things to get far better yet.   There is no longer any question in my mind or the minds of thousands of scientists that we as a planet need to change some things about how we produce energy if we are to survive as a race.   I believe we are being held prisoner is a manner of speaking by certain small groups on this planet that already have many sources of cleaner and better sources of energy.   There are many reasons they still hold on to their 'precious' devices.   I would like to see that change as I'm sure most people here would.   I believe there could be a great deal more 'freedom' if those changes come about.   So relative to that time I envision in the future we are currently enslaved.   Can you imagine the real freedom that could be with small powerful long lasting energy sources?

[nightlife]

 Slavery??? We are all slaves, thats part of being human. There are differnt levels of slaverly as are different levels of senority.
Freedom??? There is no such thing as freedom when we have laws that keep us from doing what ever we want to do without possible punishment. But, without laws, we would be subject to having less freedoms then what we do.
We are all subect to lose what freedom we have aswell as everything we own at any given time. True freedom is impossible.
Those two words as well as many others are used very loosly without being well thought out before being used.

[tinman]

Freedom MH?

Lets look at the definition of freedom.

1-the state of being free or at liberty rather than in confinement or under physical restraint:
2-exemption from external control, interference, regulation, etc.
3-the power to determine action without restraint.
4-political or national independence.
5-personal liberty, as opposed to bondage or slavery:

Hell-just looking at number 2 clearly show's we dont have freedom.
Take a stroll through the center of town naked MH (not that we would want to see that),and see how far your freedom go's. We are not free to do as we choose at all,and slowly but surely,our freedoms that we do have,are being stripped away.Did the American people have the freedom of choice to say !NO,i dont want Obama care!-nup,ya didnt,it was forced apon you-like it or not(external control right there). Did the Australian people have a choice to keep there gun's,after one clown(yes,only one) went on a shooting spree,and killed a number of people-no ,we didnt. All us law abiding people had our guns taken away from us,like it or not.External control and regulation right there.Oh,and guess what-the crims can still buy the gun they need on the black market-worked a treat ,that law did-nothing more than clowns at the helm.

Soon we will have to pay a carbon tax just for breathing-hell,some countries are even pushing for a sun light tax WTF?. Imagin that-having to pay for a sun tan on the beach lol. You may laugh,but the day will come when this is not so funny-oop's,it's here for some already.External control,interference and regulation right there.

http://www.solarcitizens.org.au/suntax
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/would-coalition-states-tax-the-sun-to-protect-utilities-29708

[MileHigh]

E2matrix:

Yes indeed, your line about being "enslaved" by the energy and banking cartels is just hysterical rhetoric due to the "cry baby" syndrome.  The ability to get access to energy has made everyone's lives easier.   Instead of going out and gathering wood and chopping it and tending a fire which might take up several hours a day, you might only have to work minutes per day to pay for your electricity and oil.  Access to lots of energy has made your life more fulfilling and better than most people of the 19th century could ever imagine.  The banks and venture capital firms probably financed the bulk of the PC industry and the networking industry.

So thanks to the evil oil companies and the evil banks you can sit back in your armchair in your air conditioned house and whine about how miserable they make you and how much they oppress you.  You poor cry baby, you want it all for nearly nothing and you won't be satisfied until you get it.

Your fantasy that the "US Navy has submarines that run on all-magnet motors and the certain groups are holding back amazing energy secrets" is just a fantasy.  Just like you believe that there are major flaws in EM theory and the 493rd magic box proposition that you encounter just might be real this time.  From what I see most of the people that do the "EM laws are just laws made by man" schtick know very little about electronics and EM theory and they argue that point out of blind ignorance and wishful thinking.

MileHigh

[e2matrix]

Well we've been down this road before and you can throw insults out but it all comes down to what you want to believe.    Do you believe people like Astronaut Gordon Cooper are lying?   All the military and government witnesses that Greer has interviewed - all lies?   Some of them are very old people with nothing to lose if the 'let the cat out of the bag' despite threats by their superiors and government to never say anything.   Have you seen Greer's latest video - not the Sirius project - but another shorter clip.   You can of course assume he is lying too and while I have at times questioned him I think knowing his own early experiences and his passion that he pursues this with that there is little doubt he is being honest about the info he has gained from all these witnesses.    And that info says there are definitely groups with the technology to free man from oil, coal and other polluting energy sources.   The latest bit of info to come out from that video involved some very rich billionaires meeting in which Greer was invited to speak.   What came out of it was that no one wanted to be the 'first' to start a business that would go up against the existing energy cartels IIRC.    This video at a briefing in Washington D.C. by Greer covers that:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZvF8po3fRw
I challenge everyone to watch that 14 minute video.   There was new info in it I had not come across before even though I've seen most of Greer's videos and have seen him in person.   Yes I know some years back Greer got sucked into a deal that had promised to be a new free energy source and that all fell apart.   I'm sure he was set up to discredit him and try to shut him up.   But since that time he has produced too much hard evidence and highly credible witnesses to ignore.   The biggest thing I take away from this video is not whether there are free energy sources or not but that it is too big of a change, too big of a challenge that no one wants to jump in to.   As he says it is "a can that keeps getting kicked down the road" and has been for a hundred years.   But we can't keep doing this any longer if we want a sustainable planet to live on.   

   And your spiel about being a cry baby that wants it all is hilarious.   If man didn't want better we'd still be living in caves and heating with fires started by rubbing sticks together.   It is not a bad thing to want better for your self and your future generations.   We NEED better than what we have now for energy sources which are damaging the planet.