Silly question about voltage and current

[MileHigh]

It's kind of funny that you go into a treatise about time because all serious electronics analysis is based on time.  In fact, often the analysis is based on analyzing what happens during an infinitely thin slice of time.

So a huge chunk of science is built around understanding what happens during an infinitely thin slice of time or with an infinitely thin wedge of a circle or with an infinitely thin slice of solid and so on.  It dates back to the Renaissance.  For example, how does current flow through a conductor?  You cut up the conductor into infinitely small cubes to find out.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

That is of cource the pre historic view on electricity and most of the old lad's think of it that way.
But in the real world, there is no voltage nor is there current flow and these elements only show up when the time component is taken into the equation.

I guess you haven't heard of static electricity, and you probably think that batteries don't have any voltage in them until they are connected to something. Your refrigerator light probably stays on even with the door closed, too.

What it means is that if you were to freeze time, all voltage would dissapear, and all current would stop flowing.

Sure, and if pigs had wings and a takeoff clearance from the tower, they could fly. BUT THEY DON'T, and YOU CANNOT FREEZE TIME.

If you look at for example the pre historic equation, Power(in Watts) = Voltage(in Volts) x Current (in Amps) you can already see that there is no mention of the time component, and that therefore this equation is pre historic and incomplete.

Oh come on, stop right there. What is the definition of a Watt? Answer the question. What is the definition of an Ampere? Answer the question. Now... does time enter into the "prehistoric equation" or not?

Because from this equation, you can not tell if the total sum is per second, minute,hour,day or whatever and if you need to build a perfect model in a perfect world where time does not exist, you will run into problems with this.
In the classical sense it would be Joule per second, but when you are unable to measure the time component, you will run into problems with this.

What is an oscilloscope? What is a frequency counter? How does a receiver like your cellphone know to tune into a GigaHertz frequency? How does GPS work? Just who is unable to measure a time component, I wonder. I can measure time down to the single nanosecond with my "garage sale" equipment. I'm sorry that you cannot, and I'm sorry that I won't be able to teach you how to do it, since you already know you can't.

I think it is interesting to see that the only place where this is really important, is in the area most people on this board are intrested in, and for the rest of the world this would not make any difference as long as the light comes on when they flip the switch...
But only so few understand this and only so few know what it is really about it all depends on your point of view so, from which point you are looking and measuring, to understand this you need to develop a complete shift in perspective because the 'normal' view is too limited to be able to explain and understand it.

Only if you think it is.

I'll bet money that you would have been unable to repair my RM503 scope, with the depth of your understanding.

[Turbo]

See you are talking only from the physical layer.
There is a problem with your understanding.

You just don't get what i am trying to say becuse of your limited mindeset.
I am sorry for you.

Maybe you read it again so you understand you are in a place where time itself does not exist instead of dragging oscilloscopes and frequency counters to this place....
Becuse they are useless if there is no time then they will read 0 and i think you are a fool for not understanding that.
I was clear about what i ment.

[MarkE]

See you are talking only from the physical layer.
There is a problem with your understanding.

You just don't get what i am trying to say becuse of your limited mindeset.
I am sorry for you.

Maybe you read it again so you understand you are in a place where time itself does not exist instead of dragging oscilloscopes and frequency counters to this place....
Becuse they are useless if there is no time then they will read 0 and i think you are a fool for not understanding that.
I was clear about what i ment.

Improved concepts need to account for behaviors explained by the concepts that they would replace.  Before anyone can consider that you may have a superior idea you need to reconcile the fact that you assert incorrectly that:  Power, the time derivative of energy does not involve time, or that current, the time derivative of charge crossing a point does not involve time.  If your ideas depend on these false assertions, then your ideas fail to explain observations covered by existing models and therefore fail.

[Turbo]

You have a limited mindset also you can not grasp the concept because you are looking at a 4 dimensional picture in 3 dimensional space and as a result you can never solve that equation.

let me make one thing clear.

ELECTRIC ENERGY FLOWS FROM A PLACE WHERE NO TIME EXISTS TO A PLACE WHERE TIME DOES EXIST.

YOU are in the place where time flows, with all your meters scopes frequency conter and all the other bullshit equipment that KNOWS how LONG A SECOND IS.
But taker all your measuring devices into that OTHER dimension and they will FAIL to work because A SECOND ITSELF does not EXIST there so the MEASURING DEVICE CAN NOT MEASURE ANYTHING.

I know it's beyond your scope of imagination, yet
Let me put it this way, you need to get thinking OUTSIDE the physical layer you are currently in...if you existed in the other realm, things would heve been easier for you.
If time moves at lightspeed and electricity moves at lightspeed and they move in the same direction then YOU MIGHT figure out some time.

So yea
I am not going to discuss this any further you all hang on to you pre historic models and go fuel up you car.
It seems you have to die first in order to gain this understanding.