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Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

Started by madddann, March 26, 2014, 09:42:27 PM

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F_Brown

Ha, I guess the person who told me that is wrong then.  He said the electron spin resonance was 1.3 MHz, which is the resonant frequency of the exciter circuits.

I made some more progress with my SPICE model.  I was able to make a model of the full primary circuit, and it generates over 10 kW of output into a resistive load taken directly from the primary. 

James has been mentioning lately that he is learning that the nature of this device is high voltage.  The simulation results I am getting seem to agree with that.

In this case in order to get 10 kW of output, about 53 kilo-volts peak needs to be developed across each half of the primary.  It's also interesting to note that in this case the primary coils together are dissipating about 78 watts.

There are a few things I find interesting about this:

1)  SPICE is able to model the parametric excitation, and it suggests that the claimed 10 kW of output are possible.

2) That output can be drawn off directly from the primaries, making secondary output optional.

3)  The wave form in the primary circuit is a sine wave with little harmonic distortion.

There is one that that still concerns me, and that is how much input power will it take to do this.

MarkE

Quote from: F_Brown on April 29, 2014, 08:55:22 PM
Ha, I guess the person who told me that is wrong then.  He said the electron spin resonance was 1.3 MHz, which is the resonant frequency of the exciter circuits.
One should check one's sources.  Electron spin resonance is in the GHz.  1.3MHz sounds like a high frequency for anything with the giant windings that are on this machine.  The L*C product for 1.3MHz is down near 1.4E-14.
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I made some more progress with my SPICE model.  I was able to make a model of the full primary circuit, and it generates over 10 kW of output into a resistive load taken directly from the primary. 
Models can be very helpful, provided that the assumptions they are built around are reasonable.  Otherwise they are little more than computer aided hallucinations.  You task is to ensure that your model is representative of something real.
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James has been mentioning lately that he is learning that the nature of this device is high voltage.  The simulation results I am getting seem to agree with that.
I watched the Taiwan session where he said that.  I was not encouraged by those remarks.  Power sources have characteristic impedance.  A high characteristic impedance in a power source means that the maximum power point will be at a relatively higher voltage than a similar capacity source that has a lower characteristic impedance.  Electrodynamic machines are readily scaled in both power and impedance by changing the flux density and the number of turns per unit length.
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In this case in order to get 10 kW of output, about 56 kilo-volts peak needs to be developed across each half of the primary.
So they say.
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There are a few things I find interesting about this:

1)  SPICE is able to model the parametric excitation, and it suggests that the claimed 10 kW of output are possible.
A SPICE model that has certain assumptions that may well be quite dubious gives a result that you want to see.  I highly recommend that you add a power probe to your noise source.
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2) That output can be drawn off directly from the primaries, making secondary output optional.
Transformers operate symmetrically.  If there isn't a reason for an additional winding, then one should question why it exists.
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3)  The wave form in the primary circuit is a sine wave with little harmonic distortion.
The purity of the sine wave is a function of the Q.  The higher the Q the less relative power output.
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There is one that that still concerns me, and that is how much input power will it take to do this.
Adding a power probe to your LT SPICE model noise source will help you figure that out.

F_Brown

Quote from: MarkE on April 29, 2014, 09:28:35 PM
One should check one's sources.  Electron spin resonance is in the GHz.  1.3MHz sounds like a high frequency for anything with the giant windings that are on this machine.  The L*C product for 1.3MHz is down near 1.4E-14.Models can be very helpful, provided that the assumptions they are built around are reasonable.  Otherwise they are little more than computer aided hallucinations.  You task is to ensure that your model is representative of something real.I watched the Taiwan session where he said that.  I was not encouraged by those remarks.  Power sources have characteristic impedance.  A high characteristic impedance in a power source means that the maximum power point will be at a relatively higher voltage than a similar capacity source that has a lower characteristic impedance.  Electrodynamic machines are readily scaled in both power and impedance by changing the flux density and the number of turns per unit length.So they say.A SPICE model that has certain assumptions that may well be quite dubious gives a result that you want to see.  I highly recommend that you add a power probe to your noise source.Transformers operate symmetrically.  If there isn't a reason for an additional winding, then one should question why it exists.The purity of the sine wave is a function of the Q.  The higher the Q the less relative power output.Adding a power probe to your LT SPICE model noise source will help you figure that out.

How about a measure statement on the noise source?

That works out to about 14 milli-watts.

pmgr

Quote from: F_Brown on April 29, 2014, 08:55:22 PM
I made some more progress with my SPICE model.

@F_Brown

Brief note, please take a look at how your calculate your average power. Make sure not to introduce the function abs() anywhere. The signs on I and V should take care of that (in that way you will be able to see real or reactive power) or use I*I*R for a resistor.

Some other remarks: your noise source is OK. It will not consume any power; it is noise, brownian motion. I have run similar parametric excitation simulations and find similar results. No magic here. Noise is what starts the primary. No spark gap needed.

However, what you do need to look at is the (counter) torque on the rotor. You can calculate that with FEMM. It is pretty big for 1amp of current. I have attached a graph. As stated in one of my earlier posts, the only way you can make the overall average force go to zero is by making sure the primary current is anti-symmetric as well and is exactly lined up in space/time with and has the same periodicity as the torque curve so the overall torque effect averages out to zero. This might proof hard to do in practice or maybe it is even impossible as load typically changes and will change the current curve, and thus the torque.

Either way, you should be able to prove if this thing can work or not.  :)

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gotoluc (and others interested in QEG audio spectrum):

Appreciate you sharing the QEG Morocco video that you edited, I'm sharing some audio data from that video.  I fed the audio from your edited video to a PC based real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer.  This allowed me to capture and save the audio spectrum of the QEG as it was ramped up with the light bulbs off, when the light bulbs flashed, and when the light bulbs stayed on.  I left the SA settings at default and have attached the screen captures that I saved.  Most of the screen captures were taken with a span of 0-500 Hz (50 Hz per division) to provide more detail of the most significant part of the audio spectrum.  There are some screen captures with a span of 1KHz, 2KHz and 5KHz to show higher order harmonics. 

There is a frequency at 100 Hz that first appears 2 seconds into the video when the variac knob is first rotated to start the QEG and this frequency is present throughout the QEG run.  This 100 Hz frequency must be the hum from the full wave rectifier which is used to rectify the 50 Hz AC input to power the DC motor, so it serves as a good calibration check.  The light bulbs start to flash when ~400 Hz double peak frequencies appears, I happened to capture it at the 30 second mark in one of the repeating cycles that you edited to extend the flashing light bulb view time.  The ~400 Hz double peak frequencies only appears when the light bulbs flash on.  The light bulbs stay on when the 440 Hz frequency is present along with a 400 Hz frequency, at this point both of these frequencies are constantly displayed until the QEG is ramped down.  Most of the screens have a red marker at the 440 Hz frequency, you can see the frequency the marker is set to at the top of the captured screen.  You can also see an 800 Hz and 880 Hz harmonic frequency on the attached file with the 1KHz span.  Regardless of the QEG outcome it will be very interesting to find out how the QEG output is optimized.

It may be that the optimum output is achieved when the 400 Hz and the 440 Hz frequencies are tuned to match.  Is there enough data here to determine which is the mechanical and which is the electrical resonance frequency?  If mechanical resonance and the electrical resonance (or a harmonic frequency for parametric operation) need to be aligned a real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer like this one may prove to be a very useful tuning tool.  The screen capture with the 5KHz span that I've attached was saved to display the whole instrument control panel so you can see the software application was developed by Fatpigdog Industries.  I purchased the Excalibur 4.06 professional version, it has a very intuitive control panel with a very good set of features and the input audio can be from a file or a microphone - technical support is provided by email.  I'm not associated with them, I just think it's a good product, so for anyone interested in more info it can be found, downloaded, and a registration code purchased at this web site:

http://www.fatpigdog.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/Excalibur.html

To insure that we're using the same reference, this video is the source of the audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y

Note: Attached files were converted from .bmp to .jpg to minimize file size.