Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

[MarkE]

I finally came up with another test.

Let's keep the numbers simple and assume this:

600 watts electrical-in to power the motor.
Assume the motor outputs 500 watts of mechanical power that is transferred into the rotor.
Assume that 100 watts go into the light bulb load.

So what happens to the "missing" 400 watts?  Nobody has discussed this seriously.

The fantasy is that the "tuning" of the QEG that is already operating in resonance will make the "magic jump" from -400 watts to +10,000 watts.  They are probably thinking of changing the capacitance values and moving up and down in the resonance frequency as one way to look for the "magic jump."  That certainly will not happen.  You will recall that James already tried something like this with no results.  I can't think off-hand of what other "tuning" they could do.

So let's come back to Earth and discuss the "missing" 400 watts.

The vast majority of the missing power is probably being burnt off in the coil windings.  They are resistors at the same time, something that you always have to be conscious of.  As the rotor turns and it is between poles, there is a sequence when there is current flowing between both primaries and they are in flux-self cancellation mode.  In my opinion this is the ridiculous flaw in the design.  As the rotor turns through a full cycle, there are certain rotor angles where the two primaries are in a magnetic short circuit configuration.  That causes higher currents and the magnetic energy that is stored in the dynamic core assembly will short itself out in the resistances of the primary coil wires.  Then part of the cycle as the rotor spins is to "push" energy back into the core/capacitors to replenish the lost magnetic/electrostatic energy.  That causes Lenz drag on the rotor.  And every "push" is 80% in vain because only 20% of that push makes it to the light bulb load.  80% of the push energy is destroyed and rendered unusable as it is turned into waste heat.

Next posting for the test.

MileHigh

There are two big sources of loss in machines of this kind:  eddy current losses, and resistive losses, otherwise known as: iron losses and copper losses.  Iron losses are a runction of the flux swing and the resistance in the eddy current path. The purpose of making stacks of thin, insulated laminations is to divide the eddy current paths into smaller, much higher resistance sections.  Orientation of the lamination stack is key.  The QEG has been such a bad joke from the start that I never sat down to analyze the flux path.  If the jokers from FTW really messed up, the eddy currents circulate in the plane of each lamination, making the laminations little better than a solid ingot and very lossy.  Good designs hold down copper losses by keeping: a high form factor, short current paths, and conductors of appropriate diameter for the operating frequency.  Lots of power ciculating in a tank leads to both iron and copper losses.  But hey, it gives fraud girl and the rest of the Traveling Grifter Robataille clan a chance to hold hands and hum.

[MileHigh]

Thanks Mark for reminding me about the core losses, it completely slipped my mind.  I assume that the core is made from a stack of flat laminations.  So that sounds right for reducing eddy current losses.  I am not sure about the rotor.  I am assuming hat it is solid and conductive and will have some eddy current losses.

I am posting a graphic that shows two different hysteresis loops for two different types of magnetic core material.  The blue area inside each loop represents the total loss of energy when you travel around the hysteresis loop for each AC cycle.  This energy loss will heat up the core.

I don't think that there has been that much discussion about magnetic hysteresis loops and eddy current losses on the Be-Do forum.  The QEG builders and the Be-Do forum members and the emo fanboys and fangirls that are lurking here will have to do more Google searching if they are unaware of these issues.

MileHigh

[Pirate88179]

The test to find the missing 400 watts is a simple thermal test.  All that you need is a LASER thermometer and a notepad and a watch.

For starters, don't run the QEG for one full day.

Again, were are going to assume 400 "missing" watts as an illustration.  We are going to assume for illustrative purposes the thermal time constant of the center of the toroidal core is two hours.  If you don't know what a thermal time constant is then look it up.  If you don't know why I am saying the "center of the core" then look that up also.

Then you start the test.  You run the QEG for one-half hour and every ten minutes you record the temperature of the core at five locations.  You then switch off the QEG and you keep on taking temperature measurements every ten minutes for four more hours.

Then you wait a full day without running the QEG.

For the second part of the test you will not have the QEG running.  Instead, you will just put DC current through the coils.

With your bench power supply, you connect it to the coils of the QEG and you dial up the required current so that the power supply is outputting 400 watts.  You pump 400 watts DC into the QEG and make the same thermal measurements.

Then you compare the temperature data to see how similar it is between the running QEG and the static QEG connected to the DC power supply.

If the two sets of data are very similar, then with a very high degree of certainty you can say that you have solved the mystery of the "missing" watts - the lost power is all being burned off in the wiring because of periodic magnetic short-circuits in the core assembly.

This test is just as important as any attempted over unity test.  The most important thing about testing the QEG is to UNDERSTAND where the power is going.  That's what it's all about.

I am not discussing the fine tuning of this experiment, I am just laying out the broad brush strokes.  The effects due to the air circulation caused by the spinning rotor may have to be compensated for.  Setting up a proper thermal environment is another issue I am not discussing.

Here is a scenario:  You do the thermal test and master it.  Then you try to tune the QEG for over unity but you never get there.  You look at your efficiency numbers and you make some spot thermal checks and because of the knowledge you built up from your own thermal testing, and looking at the RMS current levels in the coils, you KNOW that the missing efficiency is all going into the heating up of the core.

So, that is another challenge for anybody that is truly serious about understanding their QEG build;  understand the measured efficiency of the QEG and relate that back to the temperature rise in the core.

MileHigh

MH:

I like your thermal test idea.  Alas, they will never perform any test like this.  Do you agree that the best test for ANY "claimed" overunity device is self-looping?  Maybe this would not work for a devices operating at 101% but, for the numbers "claimed" by Hopeless Girl, self-looping should be a no brainer right?

Of course, they will not be able to do this for all of the reasons posted by you, TK, Mark E, etc.

I read on Hackaday that kickstarter just kicked someone out for raising money for a "fake" device and for making "false claims" about that device.  Good thing they did except, that group had already raised about $500,000!!!  Will they have to return that money I wonder?

Bill

[MileHigh]

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the comments.  I am not a fan at all of self-looping being the "ultimate test."  I feel it over complicates things.  Most of the time the output is not compatible with the input and you have to make some kind of conversion circuitry.  That's the case with the QEG.

There is no reason in the world to not simply "prove over unity" for the QEG by driving a big 10 kilowatt resistive or lightbulb load while the Kill-a-Watt meter shows the drive motor is drawing about one kilowatt worth of mains power.  It's the simplest and easiest "no brainer" way to prove the thing works as claimed.

There were some mutterings from FTW about building some kind of power conversion device, a "transverter," to do a self-looping demo.  If they go that route without measuring the power output into a "big dumb 10 kilowatt load" first, then that would just be another layer of insanity on top of Naima Feagin's already prodigious output.

The thermal test is the fourth or fifth serious test that I have proposed for understanding the operation of the QEG.  To date, I am not aware of any of them being attempted by FTQ or any other QEG builders' group.  The intention for suggesting these tests is three-fold.  Firstly, it's to inspire any QEG builders' group to get serious and really do something tangible and share their data with others.  Secondly, it's to implicitly highlight the inadequacies of the FTW group and their ongoing total lack of transparency and failure to do any serious experiments and share any serious data beyond the paltry tidbits that they have provided so far.  Thirdly, it's to help any serious researchers in the QEG builders' groups find out for themselves with 100% certainty that the entire QEG, and the FTW group that are behind it, are a croc of crap.

You figure that many of the people in the independent groups involved in the QEG are not aware of the free energy cottage industry and how it works.  They are not aware of the consistent pattern of propositions coming forward, the ensuing excitement, then the failed replications, then the original promoters going dark and eventually disappearing, and the replicators who spent all that time and all that money left holding the bag with absolutely nothing to show for it.

That's what's happening with the QEG as we speak, no surprise there.  If let's say three of the independent replication groups had some good technical people and they actually implemented some of my proposed tests and shared their data and made it public, then that would put considerable heat on Naima Feagin and James M. Robitaille.  It might help advance the onset of the "big crash" and put Naima and James out of business more quickly.

My prediction is that in July 2015 we will be discussing FTW and the QEG in the same way we discuss Mylow and Steorn and John Rohner and a whole other cast of questionable characters.  To put it bluntly, they will be dirt.

I know this is upsetting for the QEG lurkers.  Prove me wrong or prove me right by running proper tests and generating and sharing good data.  You can moan and groan all you want with your suppression fantasies, just do the tests and generate the data.  I don't have to spin anything, your own QEG will not lie to you.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

Both the stator structure and the rotor are made of laminations. I don't know if anyone took the trouble to varnish or anodize the surfaces of the lams before assembly though. Electrically they may still be just big lumps of iron if they haven't electrically isolated the lams from one another. The rotor has some welds across edges of all the laminations that of course will provide that single "turn" current path all the way around the rotor. I don't know if the stator assembly also has welds to hold its lams all in alignment.