Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)

[TinselKoala]

@MH:

You are missing an accounting trick. Consider this: Before the point of "resonance", there is little or no "output" and the thing cannot even light the lightbulb load bank at all. Yet the input power is still, say, 500 Watts to the drive motor. Now increase the drive motor power to 600 Watts and speed up to the point of resonance where the bulbs come on and the rotor phase-locks. This only cost you 100 (additional) Watts!


Therefore the QEG teams are actually _understating_ their OverUnity Ratio by a factor of six, since they are using the full 600 watts of input in their calcs when they really are only using 100 Watts (additional) to make all of that output "energy".

Right?

[Pirate88179]

MH:

I like your thermal test idea.  Alas, they will never perform any test like this.  Do you agree that the best test for ANY "claimed" overunity device is self-looping?  Maybe this would not work for a devices operating at 101% but, for the numbers "claimed" by Hopeless Girl, self-looping should be a no brainer right?

Of course, they will not be able to do this for all of the reasons posted by you, TK, Mark E, etc.

I read on Hackaday that kickstarter just kicked someone out for raising money for a "fake" device and for making "false claims" about that device.  Good thing they did except, that group had already raised about $500,000!!!  Will they have to return that money I wonder?

Bill

Here is the link to what I spoke about in the above quoted post.  I did not have time then to hunt it up.

http://hackaday.com/2014/06/26/the-ifind-kickstarter-campaign-was-just-suspended/

1/2 million dollars on a fraudulent device?  I ask again, will they have to return this money now that it has been determined that their device does not do as claimed? (and never could)

Where is kickstarter on Hopeless Girl's scam?  Good to see that they are at least looking at some of these things over there.

Bill

[MileHigh]

Bill:

When I read about that Kickstarter campaign a few weeks ago I thought that it was crazy.  The reason for that is it basically sounds like a variation on an "RFID" (radio frequency identification) system.  These systems have been around for years and years.

This particular product was a battery-free tag meant to be attached to anything you may lose in your daily life.

RFID systems have been around for a long time.  You ping them with a micro burst of RF energy.  An RFID tag will absorb some of the ping energy and power a microscopic microcontroller that will broadcast stored bits back to the pinging device.  The tiny minuscule of absorbed energy will be consumed to run the micro microcontroller and broadcast back the stored bits.  So RFID tags are "awaken from the dead" by the ping, then they spit back their bits and then they die again.

This whole project sounds like a solution to a manufactured problem (for me at least).  I personally really do not want to put RFID tags on my possessions.  Plus the real solution has existed and has been used in industry for more than 10 years.

It sounds like the Kickstarter scammers simply stole the whole concept and were trying to pitch it as something brand new that they needed lots of money to develop.  In other words, they knew the idea itself would generate funding, because the solution already exists and it's a good idea!  They also knew that the majority of people would not be aware of the existence of RFID tags.

From your link:

A review of the project uncovered evidence of one or more violations of Kickstarter's rules, which include:

- A related party posing as an independent, supportive party in project comments or elsewhere
- Misrepresenting support by pledging to your own project
- Misrepresenting or failing to disclose relevant facts about the project or its creator
- Providing inaccurate or incomplete user information to Kickstarter or one of our partners

MileHigh

[Pirate88179]

Bill:

When I read about that Kickstarter campaign a few weeks ago I thought that it was crazy.  The reason for that is it basically sounds like a variation on an "RFID" (radio frequency identification) system.  These systems have been around for years and years.

RFID systems have been around for a long time.  You ping them with a micro burst of RF energy.  An RFID tag will absorb some of the ping energy and power a microscopic microcontroller that will broadcast stored bits back to the pinging device.  The tiny minuscule of absorbed energy will be consumed to run the micro microcontroller and broadcast back the stored bits.  So RFID tags are "awaken from the dead" by the ping, then they spit back their bits and then they die again.

This whole project sounds like a solution to a manufactured problem (for me at least).  I personally really do not want to put RFID tags on my possessions.  Plus the real solution has existed and has been used in industry for more than 10 years.

It sounds like the Kickstarter scammers simply stole the whole concept and were trying to pitch it as something brand new that they needed lots of money to develop.  In other words, they knew the idea itself would generate funding, because the solution already exists and it's a good idea!  They also knew that the majority of people would not be aware of the existence of RFID tags.

From your link:

MileHigh

But, RFID is a passive device that depends upon power from an outside source...like an RFID key fob getting the juice to run from the reader device on the door.  This device, as sold to the investors, was supposed to utilize energy harvesting from the "electro smog" (TK's term) in order to power itself.

The boys at Hackaday determined that this would never meet the device's power requirements and...they were correct.

So, yes, RFID has been around a while and it works BUT, this device was supposed to power itself without any external power source as used by all RFID systems today.

So, my question still stands....1/2 million dollars....do they keep that or do they have to return it?

Will Hopeless Girl have to return her thousands one day?

Bill

[MarkE]

Thanks Mark for reminding me about the core losses, it completely slipped my mind.  I assume that the core is made from a stack of flat laminations.  So that sounds right for reducing eddy current losses.  I am not sure about the rotor.  I am assuming hat it is solid and conductive and will have some eddy current losses.

I am posting a graphic that shows two different hysteresis loops for two different types of magnetic core material.  The blue area inside each loop represents the total loss of energy when you travel around the hysteresis loop for each AC cycle.  This energy loss will heat up the core.

I don't think that there has been that much discussion about magnetic hysteresis loops and eddy current losses on the Be-Do forum.  The QEG builders and the Be-Do forum members and the emo fanboys and fangirls that are lurking here will have to do more Google searching if they are unaware of these issues.

MileHigh

One would presume that they are using stock 3% silicon steel laminations like anyone else building low frequency electrodynamic devices, but who knows.  In that case hysteresis is pretty much a non-issue.  Eddy currents depend on the orientation of the laminations and if oriented correctly:  their thickness.