The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.

[fletcher]

I believe the maid, and I believe that Bessler used several different methods for the various challenges, and I know that patrons of the arts will accept the most outrageous BS from their artists because they are paying them for it.

I'm not close-minded though. There is one way -- only -- to convince me that Bessler actually had what he and all the thousands of people who believe in him claim: show me a working Bessler wheel.

Unfortunately.... you cannot.

You are preaching to the converted TK.

It would be irrational to take a position based on belief alone, & I seldom do that - no, I don't have a working Bessler wheel but then I don't claim to.

I am however interested in all plausible ways he might have achieved his wheels public performances & load tests etc - for this I pay particular attention to the written eye witness accounts, the certificates of authenticity, but mostly the treatises of his most vocal critic Christian Wagner, where he & Bessler trade blows - Wagner was a mathematician & very logical thinker - he explained why PMM's were impossible in terms we would completely understand & identify with today - his rebuttals & Bessler's comebacks make the written exchanges interesting reading, if you set aside the escalating emotion at times.

You mention the patrons of the arts accepting most outrageous BS etc etc - I am interested in the subtleties [or not] of human nature & what motivates people at certain times - for that you often have to study the context of the situation - yes, Bessler could have had various different means to animate his wheels at various challenges - that can't be ruled out, but neither has anyone come up with a plausible explanation about how that was done, including the educated critics of the time that examined his wheels closely & conducted many tests - so that argument has validity but so far no substance - show me the sausages

Back to the maid - a couple of further observations about her credibility - first the court case was about tax evasion - Bessler free demonstrations were very popular - after a while to limit viewing numbers he charged a small entrance fee - the town council decided that a one-off special tax should be passed to clip the ticket on Bessler's wheel demonstrations - he objected to being singled out & refused to pay, ending up in court.

So the court case was about not paying imposed taxes - yet, the maid is called & testifies that she hand turned the wheel, though how that relates to unpaid taxes I'm not sure - I do know that Bessler's three main adversaries in the gallery were lapping it up - secondly, & I find this most curious, the maid said she was sworn to secrecy by Bessler that she turned his wheels - she said she was made to swear an onerous oath that she would never reveal how the wheels operated - so, imagine this - she testifies against Bessler, after having been fired, breaks her oath & reveals that she turned the wheels .. or .. she testifies against Bessler, after having been fired, doesn't break her oath & tells the inquiry a falsehood, not breaking her sworn oath, but simultaneously damaging Bessler & his reputation - perhaps for her a path of vindication, reward, & lesser consequences in an afterlife ?

Well, as you can see, all speculation, but context does muddy the waters on what appears at face value a cut-and-dried "the maid did it".

[ARMCORTEX]

The Bessler wheel is an unpractical design made along time ago.

See the Dimitriev wheel, it is the modern version.

PS:Gurangax is a scumbag, all talk.

[AB Hammer]

The Bessler wheel is an unpractical design made along time ago.

See the Dimitriev wheel, it is the modern version.

PS:Gurangax is a scumbag, all talk.

Armcortex

The Dimitriev wheels are not that impressive and a poor example for they use motors. If it can't be done with gravity I am not interested to mix it with my research.

IMHO there are wheels out there. So I am suggesting a mass exposure of all who has done it. It will have to be promoted.

PS Gurangax has posted before. Just look up all his post and go to page 8 and work your way back. Click on show post. also look at his attached word links.

Alan

[gurangax]

gurangax,   If you have a working gravity wheel, why do you think a super computer with all the knowledge of the human race cannot create the same?.

Please don't state the obvious thank you.

You need to program the computer to do something. and since i can say that every perpetual motionist thinks about the same failures then how can someone programs it the right way. There is something common that why they failed. But that is for later talk. anyway I have already put some clues to it and still many doesnt get it. I wonder why.

[gurangax]

The Bessler wheel is an unpractical design made along time ago.

See the Dimitriev wheel, it is the modern version.

PS:Gurangax is a scumbag, all talk.

That wheel doesnt work with gravity alone, and I can assure you the wheel is very simple you can run it with just 1 crossbar with the help of gravity alone. with Besslers word is this;


"If I arrange to have just one cross-bar in my machine, it revolves very slowly, just as if it can hardly turn itself at all, but, on the contrary, when I arrange several bars, pulleys and weights, the machine can revolve much faster"




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