The Bessler Wheel, mystery solved.

[Tomasz]

So here is another try. This time it looks better, because it employs more of the principles you described.

[mscoffman]

@all

Don't forget that simulating a 3D system in a 2D simulator in this case is going to suffer from Einstein rest frame
problems and have some numerical errors. This is because gravity is in a *spherical* acceleration rest frame,
referenced towards a single point, and not a laboratory cartesian coordinate (x,y,z) reference frame acceleration
along three independent line axis. A simulation involves integration of forces and some method should be used
to guarantee that the integration of out plane y ~ z axis forces is indeed down in the error bars from the other
forces before the 2D simulation *result* can fully be trusted. This y ~ z coupling into the x axis in the real world
is going to change results.

Of course the 2D simulation model will be useful for 3D visuallization in any event.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[AB Hammer]

So here is another try. This time it looks better, because it employs more of the principles you described.

Tomsaz

Why do you keep putting Bessler's and Guarangax names to the designs you are showing? 
Guarangax has not shown a single design of his latest claim. But he has quoted Bessler a lot.
As for Bessler in his defense, I believe he would like it for people to stop posting his name to non workable wheels. Its embarrassing to the one who has built running wheels.

Now I am not sure this is correct but it does fit the profile. It seems like people are being played for ideas. So if you post an idea. Don't give credit where credit is not due. If you show a design you worked on? Be proud of your work.

Alan

[fletcher]

Yeah, I think this is amazing...So maybe if you have complete mastery of the theory, then maybe you can't see the forest
from the trees.

To some extent I was interested in whether Bessler had an associate who was a mathematician?

A mathematician would have been looking at the form of the solution to equations and how it affected the solution's
outcome. He could have been directing Bessler to look at specific mechanical areas where the equational solution
could have mathematical problems, as to where OU then might be observed.
 
This thread has made me aware of this guy Wagner who Bessler talked about as "throwing his calculations out of the window"
when he found his solution. I'm going to try to look this guy Wagner up. The problem is unless the solution-of-Bessler's
is true, then Bessler is not a scientist. If he doesn't deserve a place in scientific history then his associates won't necessarily
be remembered there either.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Hi .. I suggest you read the eye witness accounts - there were some very capable people including competent mathematicians - Liebniz was a 'friend' of Bessler's as was 'sGravesande to a degree but not PMM associates - Bessler also was a contemporary of the Bernoulli's.

I think Wolff [another mathematician] described Bessler's mathematical abilities, paraphrased, as 'underwhelming'.

Wagner was a mathematician & a mechanic - there is a very good exchange between Bessler & Wagner which can be read in the Wagner Critiques I & II [IIRC II is first for some reason] - search John Collins web sites for the critiques.

http://www.orffyre.com/quotes.html for eye witness comments & first hand insight of the machines & the man.

[ARMCORTEX]

That looks Pretty big.

Have you seen the videos of bobby's and more importantly pics, others like Felix wurth dimitriev etc.