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[MarkE]

Tesla's worked and it is still above top secret after how many decades? He is not the only one, Gabriel Kron's work is hidden as well. You nay says better check your History books.

We are just cash cows, the same Volkswagen model sold in the US gets 20 more MPG in Europe. That is still rediculas, the Volks in Europe should be doing far better than it is. They are screwing us and we know it!

A little bit of misinformation can lead to all sorts of misconceptions.  The Blue TDI VWs get slightly better actual mileage in Europe because they are lighter due to different safety and emissions requirements in the US versus Western Europe.  All cars get ~20% better MPG from Imperial gallons than US gallons, because one Imperial gallon ~= 1.2 US gallons.

[utilitarian]

A little bit of misinformation can lead to all sorts of misconceptions.  The Blue TDI VWs get slightly better actual mileage in Europe because they are lighter due to different safety and emissions requirements in the US versus Western Europe.  All cars get ~20% better MPG from Imperial gallons than US gallons, because one Imperial gallon ~= 1.2 US gallons.

It is crazy we do not adopt the Imperial Gallon here in the USA!!!  We could all save 20% on fuel costs.  I guess those oil lobbyists are too strong here to make that happen.

[raburgeson]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnlXGvA1Wk

In US gallons 62 mpg. Now go check the mileage sticker in the US. I look up info before I post to make sure I understand correctly. I'm no ford fan but, what happened to the guy that was eeking 300 mpg out of a ford V8? A simple software hack of a Toyota hybrid over 300 MPG? The people in EU are getting taken too.

I had a 68 Buick Sport Wagon with a clogged fuel filter and a 350 CID engine giving me 35 MPG and that car weighed 2 1/2 times what a car weighs today and I repeat we are being screwed. The auto companies are owned by the same companies that own big oil. In 1966 they said, oh no we can't produce cars that run on propane they would have 20 percent less power. Then they reground the cam increasing valve over lap and reduced the HP 20%. They didn't stop there, they increased back pressure with a catalytic converter and lowered the compression ratio. You are paying for a computer in the car that makes it impossible to lean the fuel unless you build a circuit to trick it. Ask the water for gas people, they will give you a complete history on this if you need it.

They have a circuit ready for sale if you'd like too.

[MarkE]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBnlXGvA1Wk

In US gallons 62 mpg. Now go check the mileage sticker in the US. I look up info before I post to make sure I understand correctly. I'm no ford fan but, what happened to the guy that was eeking 300 mpg out of a ford V8? A simple software hack of a Toyota hybrid over 300 MPG? The people in EU are getting taken too.

I think you need to do better diligence.  Then you will find out that you are buying myths and outright lies.

I had a 68 Buick Sport Wagon with a clogged fuel filter and a 350 CID engine giving me 35 MPG and that car weighed 2 1/2 times what a car weighs today and I repeat we are being screwed.

Maybe it could get that kind of mileage while it was in freefall off of a cliff.  Go calculate the minimum consumption based on idle speed, displacement, and the minimum stoichiometric mixture that will burn.  Station wagons with big engines in the 1970s were 12mpg to 16mpg affairs.

The auto companies are owned by the same companies that own big oil.

No they are not.  You cannot name one car company and an oil company that owns that car company.

In 1966 they said, oh no we can't produce cars that run on propane they would have 20 percent less power. Then they reground the cam increasing valve over lap and reduced the HP 20%. They didn't stop there, they increased back pressure with a catalytic converter and lowered the compression ratio. You are paying for a computer in the car that makes it impossible to lean the fuel unless you build a circuit to trick it. Ask the water for gas people, they will give you a complete history on this if you need it.

You are badly misinformed.  Drive behind any 1960s or early 1970s era car and you can easily smell the unburnt gas coming out the tail pipe.  Engine HP output per liter of fuel has increased by more than 25% since the 1970s, despite the additional pollution controls.  In the early 1970s 25mpg highway was something that a 1 liter or smaller, very sub 100HP engine delivered.  Modern engine and transmission combinations with up to 150hp (current standards equals about 165hp under 1970s standards) are delivering 35-40mpg highway.

[Gwandau]

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The auto companies are owned by the same companies that own big oil.

No they are not.  You cannot name one car company and an oil company that owns that car company.
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I am not taking any position in this discussion, but I don't think he means owned in a legal sense. Most of us know what the big American families are up to, and there does not take much time to check out the interests presented by the Rockefeller-family and the since many years closely connected Morgans- and Rothschilds. They have big interests to secure.

A personal friend of me works at one of our Swedish car companies as an engine developer.  When presenting a variety of the HHO-effect, with a quite sophisticated system that utilized a preheated fuel injection instead of using HHO, but with virtually the same enhanced combustion effect, his fully working alternative was rejected and when asking for an explanation he was told that the car company does not benefit from anything that too radically starts to threaten the economic stability of the oil industry. There is a balance maintained in those industrial sectors, making the money continue to flow up as planned.

And money flows up. That's the very idea with the present monetary system, it's designed to effectively shunt the flow, making it more easy to increase ones riches the richer one is. :-) 

The validity of the concept Over-Unity is of course questionable, but theoretically any energy harvested from an unknown source initially would be regarded as Over-Unity until the source is detected and categorized into our present scientific belief system.

I am pretty sure most guys at this forum knows Over-Unity for what it is - A description of something yet to incorporate into the existing thermo dynamic laws.

Cheers,

Gwandau