How does one conclusively prove the validity of an overunity device on a video?

[phaedrus]

Is it possible?  I've seen many videos of purported magnetic motors.  Every one of them, no matter how convincing looking, gets comments like "oh, they're blowing air at it from off screen" or "there's magnets underneath" or whatever.  Is there anyway to satisfy all these things that skeptics put forward as a way to explain what is going on?  (For example, in the mecsdgp video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb05BaRmqU), we see the rotor covered with magnets rotating as stator magnets approach, but skeptics claim air stream is powering it.  But what if during video just as rotor starts turning, they zoom out to show empty entire room, then that criticism is eliminated.)
Let's say Johann Bessler were alive today.  And he wanted to convince people of the legitimacy of his wheel with a video.  How would he do it?  Here are some of my thoughts.  One thing, you should have a human being interacting with the wheel in the video.  Computer graphics have come a long way and can make very realistic representations of objects, but with human beings so far I think they still don't have those down so you can't tell the difference.  That's just to take care of the broadest possible faking you can imagine, which would be the video could be claimed to be a total fake made up from scratch via generated graphics.   Once you have a human with the turning wheel, the skeptics can claim the wheel contains a motor powered by a battery.  Well, here is my possible foil to this.  Let's say you put the Bessler wheel in a bathtub and turn on the water.  Fill the bathtub up with water with the wheel there spinning around.  If it continues to work even after the water is halfway up the wheel (and make sure you both have the wheel able to admit water into it, and show this on camera), that would be pretty convincing evidence it was not faked, wouldn't it (note: I don't actually know if the Bessler wheel would continue to work underwater, but it seems like it should (although perhaps much more slowly) since it is a totally mechanical device powered by gravity).  Any electrical motor would be shorted out, especially if you used salt water (in fact, a good idea would be as part of the video, take a small electrical motor connected to a battery, have it running, and dip it in the same water, and show what happens - and hopefully it will be shorted out and stop working ).  Even better, fill the bathtub with mercury, but then I REALLY don't know that it would continue to work.

So the question is, is it possible using just a video to show totally convincing proof of the validity of an overunity device, such as the Bessler Wheel? Or will the skeptics always have a way to explain everything?

[fletcher]

Video it outside - have two streams simultaneously, one a pan shot & another closer - have humans interact with it - keep the volume up loud, pick up the wheel & move it to another location on the grass - take it off one stand & place it on another - keep it uncovered so the mechanics can be seen & studied ;7)

P.S. Bessler, never said it was a gravity powered machine [urban myth] - he described it's animation as due to 'imbalance' - he variously described its motive force as due to preponderance, excess weight, excess impetus - AFAIK, not once did he say that it was a gravity wheel or overbalanced  though of course that is easy to latch on to.

[Pirate88179]

Is it possible?  I've seen many videos of purported magnetic motors.  Every one of them, no matter how convincing looking, gets comments like "oh, they're blowing air at it from off screen" or "there's magnets underneath" or whatever.  Is there anyway to satisfy all these things that skeptics put forward as a way to explain what is going on?  (For example, in the mecsdgp video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb05BaRmqU), we see the rotor covered with magnets rotating as stator magnets approach, but skeptics claim air stream is powering it.  But what if during video just as rotor starts turning, they zoom out to show empty entire room, then that criticism is eliminated.)
Let's say Johann Bessler were alive today.  And he wanted to convince people of the legitimacy of his wheel with a video.  How would he do it?  Here are some of my thoughts.  One thing, you should have a human being interacting with the wheel in the video.  Computer graphics have come a long way and can make very realistic representations of objects, but with human beings so far I think they still don't have those down so you can't tell the difference.  That's just to take care of the broadest possible faking you can imagine, which would be the video could be claimed to be a total fake made up from scratch via generated graphics.   Once you have a human with the turning wheel, the skeptics can claim the wheel contains a motor powered by a battery.  Well, here is my possible foil to this.  Let's say you put the Bessler wheel in a bathtub and turn on the water.  Fill the bathtub up with water with the wheel there spinning around.  If it continues to work even after the water is halfway up the wheel (and make sure you both have the wheel able to admit water into it, and show this on camera), that would be pretty convincing evidence it was not faked, wouldn't it (note: I don't actually know if the Bessler wheel would continue to work underwater, but it seems like it should (although perhaps much more slowly) since it is a totally mechanical device powered by gravity).  Any electrical motor would be shorted out, especially if you used salt water (in fact, a good idea would be as part of the video, take a small electrical motor connected to a battery, have it running, and dip it in the same water, and show what happens - and hopefully it will be shorted out and stop working ).  Even better, fill the bathtub with mercury, but then I REALLY don't know that it would continue to work.

So the question is, is it possible using just a video to show totally convincing proof of the validity of an overunity device, such as the Bessler Wheel? Or will the skeptics always have a way to explain everything?

The best way, beside what has been mentioned, is to have clear plans and instructions for easy replications in the video, and once these start to appear, then you are in good shape.  If others post their videos of their replications, and they work, that is very hard to argue with.  We never, ever see this with those videos on the net using air, etc.

Bill

[gmbajszar]

>> Is it possible?  I've seen many videos of purported magnetic motors.  Every one of them, no matter how convincing looking, gets comments like "oh, they're blowing air at it from off screen" or "there's magnets underneath" or whatever.  Is there anyway to satisfy all these...


Answer: No. It is not possible. Even if it is 100 percent clear that it works, they will say the same thing against it. 90 percent of comments will be like that. There is nothing we can do.

But 10 percent are skeptic, and there is that one percent, possibly an educated East European who understands perfectly what's going on. But East Europeans say little. And the less you know the more you say.

[Pirate88179]

>> Is it possible?

Is there anyway to satisfy all these...


Answer: No. It is not possible.

There is nothing we can do.

Please see my above post.  That would take care of it 100%.

Bill