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Overunity Machines Forum



1939 Gravity Power - multiply power by 1200%

Started by cipbranea, May 21, 2014, 01:38:08 AM

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i_ron

Quote from: d3x0r on July 05, 2014, 02:34:12 PM
Ya I agree, but was only this morning that I noticed the secondary pivot point.
I see... the rod extends all the way from the rotating square plate to a circular path gear at the top even... so it's circular entirely.


Well yes, that is what the video evidence seems to indicate.


Mind you it is not quite as simple as I present above... taking it from a standing start... if one moves the top of the rod say 10 degrees in a clockwise direction, inertia momentarily keeps the weigh in position, thus forming a small inclination angle. This allows gravity to allow the weight to reposition itself.


When running with no load this inclination angle will be very small. With a load the inclination angle will increase thus allowing gravity to do more work... but never more that the load!


Under load the drive plate will rotate CCW. This has the effect of making the drive radius smaller and making the weight rise to a higher position...fascinating...


Thanks for the positive comeback,


Ron   






i_ron

Quote from: webby1 on July 05, 2014, 03:46:43 PM


The output load is an input force to the system that makes the system respond and change the internal relationships.




A good observation!


I like your clever build.


Ron

d3x0r

:) So this can all be done with rigid blocks... was trying to figure out how to model a pivot... I dunno it almost works... think my lower most pivot needs to be redone....
actually the bottom pivot is off center.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvBFqjvWfjo


Was wondering where the give point was... so the top weight keeps the plate flat.
Added mass to it but... it's not right...

ARMCORTEX

Ok then those who support the Skinner cultist claims should pool their ressources together and have built by somebody trained a large well made device rather than multiple shitty toy devices, so that we can stop the endless cycle of this.

Let the big boys make big toys, with the big machine tools.






d3x0r

Quote from: ARMCORTEX on July 05, 2014, 05:44:12 PM
Ok then those who support the Skinner cultist claims should pool their ressources together and have built by somebody trained a large well made device rather than multiple shitty toy devices, so that we can stop the endless cycle of this.

Let the big boys make big toys, with the big machine tools.
like this guy :)  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRfKQswJT54


several of the demos have a linear drive... could definatly advantage the gimbal
like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n27XU9jXgxU  (Eltimple)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCOctgVIR6Q (David Quirey)


So probably should get a good plan together first...


I see viable arguments that the top weight compensates for the load to change the tilt of the lower shaft... but if it were to work 'the david device' simplifies it to a single rigid body with a wheel at the top within a circular drive track... although he goes through and adds more weight in balance, which reduces the actual amount that's accelerating (moving the COG more towards the center and up) and essentially ends up just adding flywheel mass... should be one mass on an arm... ( ya know, this guy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-KVo4lxHgE )