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[tinman]

Well here it is,a new type of Homopolar motor-or something like that.
This shouldnt work,but it dose. Interesting times indeed guy's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc8Iw1OwYxI&list=UUsLiBC2cL5GsZGLcj2rm-4w

[MileHigh]

Tinman:

That's an interesting experiment, I can't explain it right now.  Certainly the fundamentals have not changed and it's not a discovery, more like a fun investigation into why you are not seeing the vortex.  The first thing that comes to mind is that the vortex requires three components, the magnetic field, the current flow through the water, and the magnetic field lines and the current flow to not be in exactly the same direction.  It would tend to suggest one of those components is missing.  But on face value it doesn't seem to be the case when you use the solenoid.

Is the circuit for powering the solenoid completely isolated and independent from the circuit that is causing the current to flow through the water?  The only other thing I can think of is it looks like the magnetic field from the solenoid is much stronger than the magnetic field from the permanent magnet.  That just might have something to do with it and if the strengths are very different, then you should lower the current through the solenoid in an attempt to make an "apples to apples" comparison for magnetic field strength.

You have to put off the use of the term "discovery" literally for months.  Right now it's an interesting investigation.  The magnetic field produced by the solenoid is certainly essentially the same as the magnetic field produced by the magnet.  Also, you can't make a statement like (to paraphrase) "solenoids make magnetic fields that are different from permanent magnets" because that's not true.  Right now all that you have is an observation that the particular solenoid that you are using in your particular setup appears to be different in behaviour from the particular magnet that you are using in your particular setup."  That's all that you have right now, you are not in a position to make any general statements.

Anyway, it's an enigma to me right now, waiting for your next clip.

MileHigh

[wattsup]

Hmmmmmmmmm. Lots of pages flew by while I was in snooze mode.

@Tinman

Thanks for those vids.

You see, if I was doing such an experiment, I always consider to have 2-3 wattsups looking down my shoulder and stating all the wrong comparisons (objections) that are being made to derive a logical conclusion.

One of those would be magnet topology versus coil topology.

I made a quick drawing of this to show you what I mean when doing tests.

If your magnet has a straight rising sidewall, then the coil has to be as close to this topology as possible. To do that would only require a single layer coil and some tape over the turns to make sure any rising bubbles would not be influence by the bumps created by each winding so that the side wall is smooth. That would be a good analog.

The only other main factor is the magnets Tesla rating compared to the energized coil Tesla rating. This would be very difficult to reproduce exactly to compare apples to apples but at least if the physical forms are close, you can always do a pull test using a scale to compare the pull force required on each of these. Everything is relative to all the factors involved.

Don't forget that you are creating bubbles that rise to the surface on their own buoyancy. This will create a change in surface tension on the sidewall of the magnet with water pushing against that surface tension. All these factors come into play because of the physical form of the magnet. Those same interplays have to be identical with the coil.

If the coil is as you have show in your video, then the comparison with the magnet would have to display the same physical attributes in order to reproduce those same factors, so to equal your present coil topology, your magnet would require an outer form that will push the rising bubbles in the same manner as is happening with the coil.

The magnet and the coil would also have to be at the same height off the floor of the tank. When you are looking at a physical phenomena and comparing to another physical phenomena, both physical attributes should be the same or as close as possible in order to eliminate or reduce any discrepancies that could be construed as part of an effect proof.

If the magnet sits on a copper plate, the coil should sit on a copper plate as well.

This way you can then state (all other physical factors equal) the magnet does this and the coil does this or that.

Good work man. At least there is a base of effects for comparison.

wattsup

[minnie]

   Hi tinman,
              another question: did you turn off the battery charger when demonstrating?
   Altogether a very good effort on your behalf and well presented too.
                       John.

[d3x0r]

But as a homopolar it should run.  If you run the second wire all the way around and down to the bottom it runs just as well. doesn't have to be on the side...
Reversing the magnet makes it go the other way.. but interestingly the vortexing goes away... majority current flow is still making a field on the screw