Overunity electrolysis - 31 times more effective gas production than with DC

[ARMCORTEX]

@lawrencetseung

I think its time to be practical, why dont you propose an evolved technique, a definite schematic or assembly

Now that would be quite a donation. Without this, there will be no action

The passion for electrolysis has been long gone now, we need something big, something very impressive.

[Bob Smith]

I don't think the process of producing Brown's Gas involves electrolysis per se. I believe something else is happening that has to do with the short duration DC pulses accessing a form of energy which essentially transmutes water and produces Brown's Gas with a new atomic structure.  The implosive nature of BG bubbles is an indication to me that we are dealing with the diectric medium, whose nature is centripetal and implosive.  I also believe that this is what is behind what Lawrence Tseung has described as lead-in phenomenon. 

The problem with my explanation is that it involves a different paradigm for examining certain electrical phenomena and their effects.  We see vestiges of it in statements by some researchers regarding anomalies produced by their apparatus, phenomena which have and could be described as a form of transmutation.  Like all new paradigms, they present a new way of approaching a problem with new terminology, concepts and bring their share of dissent. 

I respect the logic and careful explanations above, and have no wish to argue.  I do believe their explanations are largely correct when referring to electrolysis. But this may not be about electrolysis. 
This is simply my point of view, and I throw it out for readers' consideration.
Respectfully,
Bob

[MarkE]

I don't think the process of producing Brown's Gas involves electrolysis per se. I believe something else is happening that has to do with the short duration DC pulses accessing a form of energy which essentially transmutes water and produces Brown's Gas with a new atomic structure.  The implosive nature of BG bubbles is an indication to me that we are dealing with the diectric medium, whose nature is centripetal and implosive.  I also believe that this is what is behind what Lawrence Tseung has described as lead-in phenomenon. 

The problem with my explanation is that it involves a different paradigm for examining certain electrical phenomena and their effects.  We see vestiges of it in statements by some researchers regarding anomalies produced by their apparatus, phenomena which have and could be described as a form of transmutation.  Like all new paradigms, they present a new way of approaching a problem with new terminology, concepts and bring their share of dissent. 

I respect the logic and careful explanations above, and have no wish to argue.  I do believe their explanations are largely correct when referring to electrolysis. But this may not be about electrolysis. 
This is simply my point of view, and I throw it out for readers' consideration.
Respectfully,
Bob

Bob if there is something different, then how do you account for all the HHO generators that are ordinary electrolysis units:  DC applied across electrolyte filled cells?
What Lawrence has described is ordinary and well understood behavior:  H₂ and O₂ gasses react resulting in release of heat, and state change with commensurate volume reduction from gas to liquid.  What Lawrence ignores is that to complete one cycle and be ready for the next: pressure in the volume has to be restored.  IE the work that was taken out must be performed again.  That work associated with the phase change from liquid to gas is limits the chemical bond energy one can impart through electrolysis to about 5/6ths at room temperature.  IOW, if one could recover 100% of the implosion energy one still couldn't break even.  That means that getting over unity relies on getting free energy out of fiddling with the bonds in the water.  Although many people have claimed to get more energy out of water than they used to electrolyze it, no one has proven that they could.

Until someone actually shows reliable, repeatable results that support a claim of excess energy, such claims fail.

[ltseung888]

 

If the cell forms a water capacitor and an inductance is added to the circuit then the circuit will reach resonance at some frequency. Theoretically the energy supplied to the system is either stored in the magnetic field about the inductor or in the potential across the plates of the capacitor.
The voltage across the capacitor can be maximal while the magnetic field about the inductor is minimal and vice versa. This condition can be maintained by input from a voltage source to overcome resistive losses in the circuit. So a pulsed input will ring down at the resonant frequency. This provides a pulsed voltage to appear across the cell as compared to a continual dc potential as in conventional electrolysis. There is no current flow through the cell as this would represent a shorted capacitor. There is however an electric field established through the water which stresses the covalent bonding of the water molecule. As it is water is self-ionizing due to thermal movement of the molecules randomly stressing the hydrogen oxygen bond. (This forms hydroxide and hydronium ions giving us the ph of pure water rising with increased temperature.) If the field strips all 8 valence electrons from a water in a pulse- the water molecule could actually blow up due to the high amount of positive charge. This would cause two protons to be expelled from the water molecule. Relaxation of the field and the electrons come back but now the condition for forming hydrogen and oxygen gaseous are more favorable than formation of water due to the columb explosion of the water molecule.

@sparks

Your explanation is very close to what I learned from the team who claimed some success and got funded.  All information is now confidential until their official announcement.  From the early "bits and pieces" of conversation and guesses, I believe their method involves:
1.    DC Pulsing with car battery type voltages.
2.    The DC pulsing is via resonance circuits.
3.    The water cell contributes much to capacitance.
4.    The inductance is via multiple choking coils.
5.    They have monitoring equipment of many descriptions.
6.    It took them over 12 months to find commercially exploitable "sweet spots".
7.    The team consists of PHD Chemists, Electronics Engineers, Car Mechanics, and Industrial Designers with facilities in USA, Taiwan and China.
8.    I introduced the Bring-in or Lead-out Energy theory to them and showed them Stan Meyer and Browns Gas information on the Internet.
9.    They worked with joule thief circuits and supercapacitors.  They were the ones who told me that supercapcitors have elements of electrolysis.

[ARMCORTEX]

who claimed some success and got funded.  All information is now confidential until their official announcement

Probably they are lying just to get funding and to not loose face.

Tell them to come out, make a video, prove measurement. Then they will show the world, and will get even more funding.

Then it will be worth attention.

Now, let this thread die a slow death, to ever be, ''unproven''.