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Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

Started by hartiberlin, September 27, 2014, 05:54:29 PM

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tinman

Quote from: picowatt on January 18, 2015, 05:09:33 AM
Tinman,


Is this the same electrical charge we normally associate with causing electroscopes and voltmeters to react? 


PW
QuoteDo I understand from your response that the charges you refer to in a magnet are indeed the same as electrostatic/electric charges wherein a surplus of positive is at one pole and a surplus of negative is at the other pole?
Some what correct,but as there is a dead short through the magnetic material,then no electrical charge potential can be detected between or at the pole ends.The effect is very similar to that of static charge attraction,and that is why i used static charge as an example.

QuoteI was under the impression you were theorizing a new particle or pair of particles associated with magnetic force.  If that is more so the case, then again, if you would, please answer the following:

Regarding the drawing of your concept's magnetic field/particle flow you posted earlier, you show opposite polarity "particles" flowing from the poles on opposing directional vectors terminating into each other.  What do you envision as happening in the area where the two opposing particle flows meet?  Do the opposite polarity particles cancel where they meet and produce an area of no detectable field?
This is more the case-in reference to a new particle. I tried some time back to describe the mixing/joining pattern of these particles of opposite polarity. If we take a bucket and place a partition in the middle of the bucket,and fill one half with hot water,and the other half with cold water,then remove that partition,we will get a blending of the two(hot water and cold water).In the middle we will have warm water,and this slowly gets hotter as we move toward the side we placed the hot water in.Then from the center again,moving toward the side we placed the cold water in,we will slowly drop in temperature. So from one side to another(one pole to another) we see a smooth transition from one state to another-negative charge to positive charge. At the very center there will be a net charge of the two,thus the charge will be neutral. The neutral charge area will not attract another magnetically active material that also has a neutral charge.

NoBull

Quote from: Pirate88179 on January 17, 2015, 08:50:35 PM
My screwdrivers that I magnetized with this device a few years ago attract the screws much better (possibly 2X better?) than a large ferrite magnet. 
Besides the 50% (or 1%) remanent magnetization, there is also the issue of the gradient of magnetic flux density which governs the attraction force. 

Pointy objects can have a lot of magnetic curl at their ends which increases this gradient and consequently - the attraction force.  Also, there is an optimum direction in which a screwdriver can be magnetized that will maximize its magnetic gradient at the tip - and the resulting force of attraction.

NoBull

Quote from: tinman on January 17, 2015, 09:40:37 PM
Quote from: MarkE on January 17, 2015, 09:02:05 PM
Kindly establish that there are any such thing as positively or negatively charged magnetic particles.
Kindly show me there are not.
No Tinman, you cannot ask him to do that.
There is a simple reason for that - it is impossible to prove an existential negative.

In case you ask "Why?" I will answer that preemptively, because: "a lack of proof of existence is not a proof for nonexistence".

However it is possible to prove an existential positive (that something exists), thus the burden of proof is on you.

NoBull

Quote from: tinman on January 17, 2015, 09:40:37 PM
Atoms are magnetic,and the electron having a negative charge,while the proton has a positive charge,and of course the neutron has no electrical charge.
But the neutron has a magnetic moment:o
Now what ? 

NoBull

Quote from: tinman on January 17, 2015, 09:40:37 PM
And if we wrap a coil of wire around that same screw driver,and pulse it with the correct direction of current,so as it produces a north filed at the tip of the screwdriver,what field will the screwdriver retain at the tip when the current is removed from that coil of wire?.
North