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Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

Started by hartiberlin, September 27, 2014, 05:54:29 PM

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picowatt

Quote from: tinman on January 19, 2015, 12:48:29 AM
If such a conductor did exist, and was used as the secondary in a transformer, I see only 2 possible outcomes.
1-it wouldnt produce any current
2-it would produce current without reflecting on the primary.

It's a bit of a conundrum really, if it conducts , then induction should happen. But I believe that for induction to occur in the secondary, there needs to be a CEMF.

Now, just to throw a bit more in the mix, what if we had a conductor that produced the opposite field to that of say copper, while maintaining the same current flow direction?

You may think thses are nonsense questions, but I am serching here for those that can think outside the box. Maybe some one has found such conductors, but have not been gaim to tell us about there discovery for fear that the bullshit button will be hit, and they get to bask in the posts full of ridicule.

Tinman,

I am still trying to wrap my head around a conductor that produces no magnetic field while passing a current.

However, a conductor that passes a current wherein the "apparent" electron flow is in the same direction as that of a copper wire while producing a magnetic field opposite to that of the copper conductor sounds a bit more possible if the current flow in the special conductor was more so due to the movement of positive ions (i.e., hole flow).  But even that I would have to ponder a bit.

PW

MarkE

Quote from: picowatt on January 19, 2015, 01:19:20 AM
Tinman,

I am still trying to wrap my head around a conductor that produces no magnetic field while passing a current.

However, a conductor that passes a current wherein the "apparent" electron flow is in the same direction as that of a copper wire while producing a magnetic field opposite to that of the copper conductor sounds a bit more possible if the current flow in the special conductor was more so due to the movement of positive ions (i.e., hole flow).  But even that I would have to ponder a bit.

PW
It is not about the conductor it is about the moving charge.  If charge is moving there is a magnetic field or so we think based on application of SR to the electric force.  If one wants to postulate how the world would behave were such a fundamental relationship to not be so then a lot of well tested physics has to go out the window.

picowatt

Quote from: MarkE on January 19, 2015, 01:24:16 AM
It is not about the conductor it is about the moving charge.  If charge is moving there is a magnetic field or so we think based on application of SR to the electric force.  If one wants to postulate how the world would behave were such a fundamental relationship to not be so then a lot of well tested physics has to go out the window.

MarkE,

I agree.

That is why I stated I was still trying to imagine a conductor that passes current without producing a magnetic field.

I am, however, still trying to ponder whether it might be possible to have an "apparent" electron flow in a given direction while producing a magnetic field opposite to conventional electron flow in that direction.

Any thoughts?

PW

tinman

Quote from: picowatt on January 19, 2015, 01:39:55 AM
MarkE,

I agree.

That is why I stated I was still trying to imagine a conductor that passes current without producing a magnetic field.

I am, however, still trying to ponder whether it might be possible to have an "apparent" electron flow in a given direction while producing a magnetic field opposite to conventional electron flow in that direction.

Any thoughts?

PW
Now your onto it.
Oh, by the way-who said electrons are the only charge carriers.

picowatt

Quote from: tinman on January 19, 2015, 01:51:48 AM
Now your onto it.
Oh, by the way-who said electrons are the only charge carriers.

Tinman,

So, is this just a thought experiment or "otherwise"?

PW