Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[MarkE]

@MH

Good point, I used a plastic straight edge and moved my probe at as uniform a speed as possible. In the other plot I held the probe in a clamp then used two pieces of plastic around the center to spin it perpendicular to the NS axis.


I'm still working on the new setup which I will run by you guys now. I built a new probe with two linear ratiometric hall sensors 90 deg apart to capture the probe x,y axis (vertical,horizontal sensors). The probe output goes to my Arduino/Labview interface where I then plot two separate xy intensity graphs(vertical/horizontal probe) with a third xy intensity graph representing the difference between the two.


The xy intensity graph simply uses the probe position, xy coordinates, and the probe output y to plot a 2D picture with the probe value y determining the color of each point. I'm using a linear servo arrangement my interface controls to scan line by line within a 3" x 3" area with a resolution of 1023 x 1023 points. So we should have a pretty solid picture of both the x and y axis of the probe output as well as the difference between the two.


This is just speculation but I'm hoping to see a line where the probe xy values sum to zero which should be obvious in the third graph. If probe rotation was showing this then this arrangement should prove it in my opinion. All this debate about what people think is wonderful however I want to know for myself.


AC

Since you can't make the sensor elements intersect, I question the value of trying to build a two sensor rig.  If you want to do something that can provide valuable data then being able to precisely orient parallel or perpendicular to the magnet, locate repeatably, and where you want to probe I think are the best places to put your effort.

[allcanadian]

@EMJ

you seriously need to think outside the box. I have been here under different name for some 10 years odd and you were here back then!!! What's going on, not gotten any further ahead!!! Got nothing STILL!

There lies the problem doesn't it?, information and knowledge without the creativity to apply it in a meaningful way means nothing. It reminds me of the person who memorized the whole Encyclopedia Britannica, I mean the whole damn thing, but what does he do now?. Why he tours and writes books about memorizing the Encyclopedia Britannica, lol. All that information and yet he doesn't have a clue what to do with it which is unfortunate.


Don't get me wrong, knowledge has it's place and it can streamline the learning process however it does not guarantee anything. If we have to draw a progress line I think it would be as follows---information, knowledge, understanding then creative application of that understanding. It's that last little part which is most important in my opinion because that is the only part which translates into real progress.


AC

[TinselKoala]

TinselKoala - Your Assumption! I am claiming nothing here, you MileHigh and MarkE are.

I don't doubt Science! I doubt Conventional Science that has been proven Wrong by Modern Science!!!

If it does not hold, then its wrong!

Physics Professors today are always saying the same thing, well this holds for this but not for that.

TK - you seriously need to think outside the box. I have been here under different name for some 10 years odd and you were here back then!!! What's going on, not gotten any further ahead!!! Got nothing STILL!

Your posts are like MileHighs, nothing but criticism and Bull Dust! You like MileHigh will still be here in another 10 years and will still have NOTHING!!!!

I have seen some of your experiment, your ability to "DO" is not the problem, its your Intellectual HandiCap!!!

I bet you do the same experiments all day long! Same ones, day after day, looking for something but blind to whats right infront of your face!

TK - You used to have my respect. But do you know what, Youre just an overunity.com number! Today that number is: 11167 - This number is definitely not showing your Intelligence!

So, to answer your stupidity, yes I did read the article! What does it mean to have a Mono Pole sitting in free space? Do you want me to spell this for you? MONOPOLE, MONOPOLE, MONOPOLE

OMG HOW sparse is this field!!!

You claimed in your original reference to the article that the researchers had created a magnetic monopole. The article however, as I have shown with my quoted excerpt, specifically states that they have NOT done so, they have merely created an _analogue_, that is, something that is _like_ a monopole under certain very specific conditions and when looked at in a very specific way.  They certainly do NOT have a "Mono Pole sitting in free space". Are you having a problem with your reading comprehension? Anyone here can read the article for themselves and see that your claims about it what it says are false.

Go ahead, email the authors and ask them about the magnetic field line picture surrounding a permanent magnet. You dare not... because _even you_ know what they will say.

I have been a member of this forum for quite some time, and I've only had this one username that whole time. While you have had several... how come?
Has it been ten years? I actually don't know, but I first started posting in response to the Archer Quinn claims of his "Sword of God" magnet assisted gravity wheel nonsense. Are you a supporter of Archer Quinn, perhaps? A very large number of my posts came in the long running argument and debunking of Rosemary Ainslie's false claims, lying "experimental" reports and her continued insulting badgering of Poynt99, MileHigh and others as well as me. Are you a supporter of the proven liar and false claimant Rosemary Ainslie? Another large set of my posts had to do with Wayne Travis and his false claims of a "self running" buoyancy device, with his long string of broken promises and failures to achieve any credible demonstration of his claims. Are you a supporter of Wayne Travis?  And anyone who actually knows what I post about can direct you to my posts concerning the better-than-Bedini MHOP pulse motor, the Steorn Orbo/Orbette Core Effect motor research, the several unique Joule Thiefs that I have presented, the struggle to educate people about the FTW QEG scam.... etc etc.  My track record here is clear: I am probably the _most often insulted_ poster on this forum, because I tell the truth about BS when I see it.  You can "bet" whatever you like with whomever you like, but you have no idea what I do all day, day after day, that's for sure, and you can provide no evidence for your literally _crazy_ and false assertions about me.

[allcanadian]

@Mark

Since you can't make the sensor elements intersect, I question the value of trying to build a two sensor rig.  If you want to do something that can provide valuable data then being able to precisely orient parallel or perpendicular to the magnet, locate repeatably, and where you want to probe I think are the best places to put your effort.

Yes that was my first thought before I built the probe however I thought it was easier to simply introduce an offset into the code. All the values are temporarily stored in an array so it's no big deal to introduce an offset (user defined constant) during calibration so that the sensor planes line up exactly before the output to the graphs.


Super easy, take the Y coordinate +/- whatever the resolution of one line is and you end up with a vertical offset which will be the sensor plane offset. Simple input box to define the x and y offset on the interface. click, tap, tap, click done.


AC

[EMJunkie]

@EMJ

There lies the problem doesn't it?, information and knowledge without the creativity to apply it in a meaningful way means nothing. It reminds me of the person who memorized the whole Encyclopedia Britannica, I mean the whole damn thing, but what does he do now?. Why he tours and writes books about memorizing the Encyclopedia Britannica, lol. All that information and yet he doesn't have a clue what to do with it which is unfortunate.


Don't get me wrong, knowledge has it's place and it can streamline the learning process however it does not guarantee anything. If we have to draw a progress line I think it would be as follows---information, knowledge, understanding then creative application of that understanding. It's that last little part which is most important in my opinion because that is the only part which translates into real progress.


AC

Hey AC - For sure! Native Intelligence vs Memory!

Absolutely! Science is very important! It is what we understand of Nature.

I know youre here for the philosophy, not quite so much the Science, but I guess from a point of view from the outside, the two really do hold hands?

Regards

  Chris