Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

[tinman]

Exactly, and for Timman and others, nobody is stopping you from thinking outside of the box.  However, it's generally accepted that you do this at least with a sold frame of reference where you understand the currently accepted knowledge.  In other words you have a foundation underneath you.  It's like taking the example of Picasso and Andy Warhol.  Before they got into their own styles of abstract art they made conventional paintings - they had a mastery of the art of standard painting and drawing before they took it to a new level.

There is no point in talking about an "imaginary different type of wire" when the wire has nothing to do with it.  Like it or not, Nature is telling us that moving charges create a magnetic field.  You simply can't change that or change the "definition" of what a moving charge does.

Ridicule also does have a place in discourse within reasonable limits.  The guy who fakes his resume and claims he is a machinist with 15-years experience, then goes on the shop floor and destroys a $2500 piece of aluminium stock because he has no clue how to operate the CNC machine deserves some ridicule.  If somebody is a big faker about electronics and they talk a lot of BS then sometimes they deserve some ridicule also.  Look at the so-called "smart guys" or "knowitalls" - they also get ridiculed except it's for different reasons.

MileHigh

Some times MH, the answer was apparent way back in the past, but at the time it ment nothing to you other than a problem fixed.
I will explain tomorrow night when I get  back home  to a keyboard I can see.
But for now, are you sure there is no conductor that current can travel through without a magnetic field being created around it-this is a question for you to Mark.

[MarkE]

I choose to ignore the corrections.  I appreciate you giving me a choice. 


Regards

It wasn't my choice to give to you.  You're going to do what you want.

[MarkE]

Greetings MileHigh,

The funny thing is like you and most here I am grounded, however, unlike most I found myself asking was why?  Why judge in stating "forgetting about the facts and reality"?  I ask because from my perspective, you are speaking from your perspective.  What facts, and whose reality are you referring to?  Your reality, the one most agree to because its the politically correct thing to do was given to us by one higher on the tree than we.  Lots of monkeys on that branch you occupy staring in screens banging senselessly at keyboards as you put it.  All thinking and obeying themselves into oblivion.  Big deal the majority feel the need to position themselves beside you on that branch, sharing your panorama, I am not impressed.  I climbed down out of the tree (highly recommended) and look up at you and the company you keep and am humbled. 

Nothing changes if we keep doing things the way they are expected, no advance can be made from a zone of real comfort.  Many are comfortable now, and from their positions of authority they can shoot down any concept which they deem is not worthy of anyone's time.  I find that fascinating, because it is an expression of power, power over ones peers.  As a keeper of the law these individuals wield absolute authority, and unfortunately this kind of power corrupts.  When the facts as they are agreed upon can be used as a mechanism for suppressing the creativity of those who do not know the laws, does this constitute a form of abuse of authority?

This place is about finding solutions.  The ultimate form of those solutions may not conform to the established.  The free thinkers who rebel against the established and run intuitively towards their desire are on equal footing with those who uphold the law.  Unity is seen when the two unite, not when the one dominates the other.

But what do I know.....I'm just a monkey, alone,  keyboard in hand staring up into a tree filled with monkeys banging away at keyboards and staring into screens flashing the words..obey.....sleep...

Sir I mean you no disrespect, I simply ask that you allow those who don't care for that which you care about the room they need to express themselves and their ideas to the fullest.  It's clear that they have no choice in the manner when it comes to you expressing yourself and your ideas, an elbow in the eye has that effect.  Give them the benefit of the doubt, they can refer to text when the desire arises in them to know your view, and they know you are more than willing to guide them, they need only ask.


Regards

Express an idea in a public place and it's reasonable to expect comment.  After all if one doesn't want comment one can express express their thoughts to a private group, or just keep them to themselves. 

I don't see a reason for objection if anyone offers a declaration of fact as a premise for their train of thought and someone else points out that the premise is factually wrong.  There are at least a couple of amenable solutions:  Acknowledge that the premise is wrong and state that it is intended for hypothetical consideration as if it were not wrong, correct the premise, or defend the premise as correct.  For example: "If the moon were made of bleu cheese would burgers taste better in space?" may sound silly but it doesn't find itself at direct odds with an idea such as:  "Because the moon is made of bleu cheese, burgers taste better in space."  And one could always argue something like:  "The moon is really made of bleu cheese because ...  provides reliable evidence that it is."

[NoBull]

What is the simplest inductor?  The answer is a short length of straight wire.

Strangely the same length of wire has less inductance when coiled in a high pitch helix than a straight wire or a wire coiled in a low pitch helix.

[NoBull]

So where there is current flow there is a magnetic field regardless of what carries that current?

Yes, when you have a current flow in a single conductor.

Mark-What if there was a conductor that can carry current, but no magnetic field is produced around that conductor

If that would happen around a single conductor then it would be a revolution in physics.