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Magnet Myths and Misconceptions

Started by hartiberlin, September 27, 2014, 05:54:29 PM

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MarkE

Quote from: tinman on January 25, 2015, 07:15:43 AM
I do not wish to challenge that at all,as it was the answer i needed in order to prove that extra energy can be produced via this system,when all energy has been accounted for within the electrolysis system.
If the energy accounting balances, which everytime it has ever been done correctly it always has, then there is neither surplus nor deficit.

tinman

Quote from: MarkE on January 25, 2015, 07:26:29 AM
If the energy accounting balances, which everytime it has ever been done correctly it always has, then there is neither surplus nor deficit.
I am assuming you are refering to the electrolisis unit?
If so,then i am fully aware that there is neither surplus nor deficit,and this is exactly what we want.
We have accounted for all the energy into the system,and ballance is maintained. ;)

It is this ballance that gives rise to the extra energy from the second part of the system,which is an open system to that of the electrolisis system.

But thats as far as we will take this here,as it is way off topic to this thread,and i now have confirmation from both you and poynt that the system is ballanced,and all energy is accounted for ;)

poynt99

Quote from: tinman on January 25, 2015, 02:39:34 AM
The 60 watts is just what the cell uses when in operation V*I. No time is given because that is irrelevant to the question. The question remains,and applies for all devices-->will all the output energies(wether disipated or stored)equal the input energy?.The law of the conservation of energy says it will,and i was asking if the same applies to the electrolisis system i gave a diagram of.
Yes, I think we all understand that now, but the point is and was, that clarification was required due to a mixup of the terminology used in the question, and how the question came across. If one does not effectively say what they actually mean, then its like the conversation is taking place in two different languages (for eg. German and Mandarin), and misunderstandings and wasted time is the result. Agreed?
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tinman

Quote from: poynt99 on January 25, 2015, 08:14:49 AM
Yes, I think we all understand that now, but the point is and was, that clarification was required due to a mixup of the terminology used in the question, and how the question came across. If one does not effectively say what they actually mean, then its like the conversation is taking place in two different languages (for eg. German and Mandarin), and misunderstandings and wasted time is the result. Agreed?
Well i knew what i ment--.you guys just dont speak german or Mandarin like i do :)
All jokes aside-agreed poynt.

allcanadian

@tinman
QuoteIt is this ballance that gives rise to the extra energy from the second part
of the system,which is an open system to that of the electrolisis
system.
Now your thinking, the DWFTTW process appeared to the weak minded as a violation of physics because you cannot get more than what is already there. However their error was in the Energy accounting of an open system and a failure to understand what was there and available to use. You are correct and the rules which apply to closed systems do not always apply to open systems because obviously they are not the same thing.
If I put 1w of electric energy into a resistance heater I will always get 1w of heat out but if I put 1w of electrical energy into a heat pump I may get 5w of heat out. A resistance heater is a closed system and a heat pump is an open system...it's that simple. The critics are simply arguing that all systems must remain closed, they are arguing that the simple resistance heater is the only way of doing things which as we know is pure delusion. Why if they had their way we would have to install our wind turbines, heat pumps and solar panels inside dark closed boxes just to satisfy their twisted notion of reality.

AC
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