Magdrive HHO Generators

[mikem33]

Actually production is about the same  - He measures 16 OZ Hydrogen in 3 min for the MagDrive and his shows 5 OZ in 1 minute on his unit.  That being said I want to see if there is any increase in fuel efficiency when this thing (I happen to have the MagDrive) is installed and tested on the in the real world on the road.  I know MagDrive has their own test but I've been in the marketing business too long to believe anything they put on their website.  I know ZeroFossilFuel did see a about a 18% increase in fuel efficiency when he put his on the road and his unit on the low end produced about 8.5 OZ (500 ml in 1 min 50 sec) which is better than both these units.  We'll see.

[DolceStefano]

Heh all, first post, but have being curiously browsing through the whole site. It really is fascinating.
Anyways, I purchased a Magdrive, it is a smaller version to the one pictured above (although it has the same amount of washers) and it works pretty good...  I also added a pwm and an Effie to the setup, and I'm currently getting about a 50% efficiency.... 
I use a half teaspoon of lye to a gallon of steam distilled water, and it maxes at 5amps....

But I still feel it could be better....  Maybe......   

Unfortunately the lye leaves a residue on the SS, so I do have the clean out the system weekly with vinegar to get optimum results.....  I have also experimented with the Aaron's cell, but has more or less the same results......

I just have a few questions that ye scientists and enthusiasts can answer for me!!!!
Is HHO produced between the edge of the washer and the tube surrounding it? And if so, why not use more washers?
What is the purpose of the outer SS tube? (as the inner tube is carefully positioned with spacers between....)

I guess its a simple and effective devise, but as said above, I feel it doesn't produce enough HHO!!!
I would really love to achieve more....

[mikem33]

I also added a pwm and an Effie to the setup, and I'm currently getting about a 50% efficiency.... 
I use a half teaspoon of lye to a gallon of steam distilled water, and it maxes at 5amps....

Unfortunately the lye leaves a residue on the SS, so I do have the clean out the system weekly with vinegar to get optimum results.....  I have also experimented with the Aaron's cell, but has more or less the same results......

I just have a few questions that ye scientists and enthusiasts can answer for me!!!!
Is HHO produced between the edge of the washer and the tube surrounding it? And if so, why not use more washers?
What is the purpose of the outer SS tube? (as the inner tube is carefully positioned with spacers between....)

@dolce
You are getting about 50% efficiency - how does that translate to increased mileage (or KM)?  In other words did you go from 15 MPG to 22 MPG (or KM?  I just wanted to clarify.  We are presently testing on multiple vehicles with as many variables taken out as possible.

You use the abbreviation pwm and effie - I know what the effie is but what is pwm? Residue in the SS - What is the SS?

To answer you on why not use more washers - we looked at the manufacturing procedure of this product and it is basically put together with off the shelf parts using a hack saw, a drill bit and a screwdriver.  Nothing wrong with that but as a guess, I believe they are trying to crank out a low cost product as efficiently as possible.  Also they just started selling a brick and I have no idea what that looks like inside or what its efficiency is compared to the cylinder. Looking at Zero Fossil Fuel's stuff and his efficiency with his experiments you can see where the gas is mostly emitted and how using bigger and more plates produces far more H.

Regards,
Michael

[DolceStefano]

@dolce
You are getting about 50% efficiency - how does that translate to increased mileage (or KM)?  In other words did you go from 15 MPG to 22 MPG (or KM?  I just wanted to clarify.  We are presently testing on multiple vehicles with as many variables taken out as possible.

You use the abbreviation pwm and effie - I know what the effie is but what is pwm? Residue in the SS - What is the SS?

To answer you on why not use more washers - we looked at the manufacturing procedure of this product and it is basically put together with off the shelf parts using a hack saw, a drill bit and a screwdriver.  Nothing wrong with that but as a guess, I believe they are trying to crank out a low cost product as efficiently as possible.  Also they just started selling a brick and I have no idea what that looks like inside or what its efficiency is compared to the cylinder. Looking at Zero Fossil Fuel's stuff and his efficiency with his experiments you can see where the gas is mostly emitted and how using bigger and more plates produces far more H.

Regards,
Michael

Hi Michael, apologises for being so vague, My car has a 4 cylinder standard 2 liter engine. Before the installation of the Magdrive, I was roughly getting 33 miles to the gallon (4.5litres/Gallon), with the Magdrive I'm roughly getting 52 miles to the gallon (which depends on my driving, in town it isn't that great, on the open road it is  )  At first I was only getting about 20-30% efficiency, so I looked into it abit more and came across eagle research, who supplied me with the EFIE. I also purchased a Pulse Width Modulator at http://www.bakatronics.com/   Now I'm not too sure how efficient this devise makes the Magdrive, but it seems to work.....

As said, this is all pretty new to me, so I'm still learning     As for the SS (Stainless Steel), the lye seems to leave a black residue on the surface of it...  Today< I stripped down the Magdrive, just to compare to the pictures above, I seem to have double amount of washers, (I will post a picture tomorrow, to explain it better) I also noticed that the spacers used between the stainless steel washers are of some type of Graphite material, almost charcoal!!  And this seems to wear down, which I'm guessing now this is the reason why the unit gets so black inside!!!!!  mmmmmmmmmm

After looking into it abit more, this Unit could be replicated for less than 100dollars, but I'm sure its not something people will want to do.....

Yes, Ive seen the "Brick", it seems to work with 3 or 4 plates. I'm all for new development, but it seems that magdrive are on a new tangent!!!!! Which worries me........

I have spent alot of time and money on this, and all my friends and family are asking about this unit I have in my car, I am kind of reluctant to steer them magdrives way, but they seem to have the most readily affordable unit...... Magdrive don't advise to purchase an Efie either..... I am also concerned about the unit pictured above, it is exactly the same as my unit but the other tube is just longer and can hold more water but its double the price!!!

Sorry for the rant, and in no way am I discrediting Magdrive, I am happy with the results Ive achieved, I am saving money....  But its not a devise that ya can plug and play, alot of working involved in tweaking it, and fitting it!!!!

[mikem33]

@ Dolce
Thank you for clarifying the terms.  Much appreciated.  If you went from 33 to 52 MPG that?s a whopping 37% increase in fuel efficiency.  It seems the iffe and the pwm make a difference.  Did you check with each individually to see what made the most difference or just put both on and retest together?

When I spent time talking to the owner of the MagDrive he really was selling how easy it was to install.  I?m not a gear head and certainly not mechanically inclined.  I ran for the cover of a mechanic and paid (of course as I stated earlier we are in the process of testing multiple vehicles restricting the variables as much as possible).  It is definitely not a ?simple? install.

I don?t know what unit you have but I think I paid about $300 for the unit you see above.

I went back to ZFF (ZeroFossilFuels) on YouTube to take a look at something else and watched this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyeqtm9zR7Q  and computed the efficiency of the Hydrogen production.  He has it to 500 ML in 17 seconds.  That?s 56 OZ in one minute or over 11 times the amount of the MagDrive.  That?s with a warmed up cell.  He sure has made some really good progress in his research.  What I couldn?t tell at this point ? and it may be on another video ? was did this increase the fuel efficiency? Anyhow thought you might like to know.

Regards,
Michael