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Overunity Machines Forum



Sum of torque

Started by EOW, October 12, 2014, 05:36:02 AM

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dieter

Most of this is over my head  :-[ , but I higly respect the amount of work you put into it. The lack of responses is rather cold, but see it that way: Many people follow the creed "when I can't say anything negative about it then I'd say rather nothing at all.", so in that sense this is good ^^


The most fascinating demonstration of a sum of torque that I have seen is gyroscopical precession, where a rotating wheel that is supported only on one side of the axle does not tip over and fall down, because the torque of the tipping sums up with the rotation and the torque chases the angular momentum as long as the rotation continues. (Or something like that)


Peace


EOW

I can reduce the angular velocity without give a torque on the support. It's possible if I multiply the number of pulleys. 3 pulleys receive the energy from one with sliding. The small pulley receives 4FRwt, but in the support frame reference it turns at 3w, I can transmit the power at 3 bigger pulleys without lost energy and with an angular velocity of w. The small pulley lost 4FRwt but each bigger pulley win 2FRwt because in the labo frame reference its angular velocity is 2w not w.

For that I need to have a sequential device. I can't give energy from the motor and recover in the last disk all the time. I need to give power 1/3 time to each pulley P3, P4, P5. The rest of the time the pulley is not driven.

EOW

Or with a gyroscope like that. The goal is to decelerate (in the support frame reference) all purple disks because they turn at -w in the support frame reference. In the labo frame reference disks don't turn (w=0), so if they decelerate in the support frame reference, they accelerate in the labo frame reference. The gyroscope don't turn, it can cancel near all torque from 2 ending disks, can't cancel all the torque, there are forces fx more and more bigger with the angle. Need to add a lot of gyroscope all around the support with different angles because the gyroscope don't turn.

There is friction between disks and between the arm of the gyroscope and 2 ending disks. Friction can be replace by any system for recover energy like electromagnetic.

The gyroscope receives a torque around the axis z but it turns around the axis x.

I can place the disks in the 'center' like the gyroscope:

EOW

With this cycle of water. Imagine the size of the container (fluid) very large. The mean density of object to move is 1.1. Density=0 in half part and density=2.2 in the other half part.

dieter

Hi EOW,
I am trying to understand ...  :o ... :-[ am I stupid?  ??? What is density 0 ?!? Vacuum? And how is the object rotated?


Peace