Gyroscopic Inertia Generator

[MileHigh]

Scorch:

Or, if one makes the claim "it doesn't work", then one still suffers the burden of proof of his claim such as: conducting the actual experiment multiple times, under a multitude of various conditions, in order to PROVE it doesn't work under ANY condition and must include certified documentation and supporting evidence. Otherwise it's merely a frivolous (unproven) claim.

I do not know what the results of this experiment may be and I conduct this experiment without any specific expectation beyond the expectation that it should actually run when I turn it on.
The rest is absolutely UNKNOWN and I would be an ignorant fool to make any specific claims about that which I have no knowledge such as a device I have not built, operated, or tested yet. . .

I think that we have been down this road before.  I never stated "it doesn't work."  Nor are you qualifying what that means.  Please do not put words in my mouth.  What I have repeatedly stated is that your build will work like any other pulse motor will work.  It can be a $5000 pulse motor or a $30 pulse motor, they will both work in approximately the same way.

Relative to your statements, I absolutely do not have to prove that it doesn't work.  I am making no special claims and you are once again falling into the trap of reversing the burden of proof.  The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of anyone making extraordinary claims not on the person that states that that there are no extraordinary claims.  This process is never going to change so you are going to have to live with it.

When Aaron tries to claim that Bedini motors are under unity except for the case of a special "magic" configuration by John Bedini that uses a cap pulser to run indefinitely as an over unity free energy machine, 1) it's absolute crap, a lie, and 2) if Aaron and John want to prove it then the burden of proof rests with them.

As far as the results of your experiments with the motor go, I can tell you will 100% certainty that your pulse motor will act like a regular pulse motor and not show any behaviour out of the ordinary whatsoever.  That is a specific claim and I stand by it.  You would have to be an ignorant fool to have any kinds of expectations that something out of the ordinary will be observed with any pulse motor configuration.  You actually can make predictions about things that have not been built or tested when they are just applications of basic and simple electronics where everything is mundane and ordinary.

I hope that my point of view is now 100% clear to you.

MileHigh

[synchro1]

Scorch:

I think that we have been down this road before.  I never stated "it doesn't work."  Nor are you qualifying what that means.  Please do not put words in my mouth.  What I have repeatedly stated is that your build will work like any other pulse motor will work.  It can be a $5000 pulse motor or a $30 pulse motor, they will both work in approximately the same way.

Relative to your statements, I absolutely do not have to prove that it doesn't work.  I am making no special claims and you are once again falling into the trap of reversing the burden of proof.  The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of anyone making extraordinary claims not on the person that states that that there are no extraordinary claims.  This process is never going to change so you are going to have to live with it.

When Aaron tries to claim that Bedini motors are under unity except for the case of a special "magic" configuration by John Bedini that uses a cap pulser to run indefinitely as an over unity free energy machine, 1) it's absolute crap, a lie, and 2) if Aaron and John want to prove it then the burden of proof rests with them.

As far as the results of your experiments with the motor go, I can tell you will 100% certainty that your pulse motor will act like a regular pulse motor and not show any behaviour out of the ordinary whatsoever.  That is a specific claim and I stand by it.  You would have to be an ignorant fool to have any kinds of expectations that something out of the ordinary will be observed with any pulse motor configuration.  You actually can make predictions about things that have not been built or tested when they are just applications of basic and simple electronics where everything is mundane and ordinary.

I hope that my point of view is now 100% clear to you.

MileHigh

@Milehigh,


Why not wait until the motor's built and tested before drawing final conclusions you pompous ass!

[MileHigh]

Scorch:

We can characterize how a pulse motor works by just looking at a single pulse.  A single pulse contains a finite and measurable amount of electrical energy so we just have to look at where that energy goes:

1.  Resistive losses in the wire of the coil.
2.  Mechanical energy that gives the rotor a push to keep it spinning.
3.  The recovered back-EMF pulse that normally goes into the charging battery.

1. Resistive losses in the wire of the coil.

You can measure the resistance of the coil and the RMS current going through the coil, and the pulse frequency.  That gives you all the information that you require to calculate the number of Joules per pulse that turn into waste heat in the resistance of the wire of the coil.

2.  Mechanical energy that gives the rotor a push to keep it spinning.

As TK said, you can calculate or measure the moment of inertia of the rotor.  Then you can record ticks when doing a rotor spin-down test.  The deceleration of the rotor is proportional to the slope of the RPM vs. time for the rotor spin-down test.  With that information and the pulse frequency you can calculate the mechanical energy per pulse required to keep the rotor spinning at any RPM.

Note: All of the mechanical energy put into the rotor per pulse instantly becomes waste heat energy via the bearing and air friction.  This is where Aaron has a fundamental lack of understanding because he mistakenly believes this is "unmeasured useful output" that can be added to the COP calculation for the Bedini motor.  This is absolutely and utterly wrong.  It's also possible that Aaron is just faking and knowingly making a false statement because it's good for business to add a fake mystique to the Bedini motor.

3.  The recovered back-EMF pulse that normally goes into the charging battery.

Here you can emulate the charging battery with a big fat cap that sits at the charging battery voltage and a variable resistor to ground.  You measure the average charging battery power and with the pulse frequency you then know the amount of energy in each back-EMF pulse.  In order to make the measurement more accurate you also will add the measurement of the energy that is dissipated in the diode and the wire itself per pulse.

So, then you can check your measurements and see how well you did.  So to check your measurements, you make as accurate a measurement as you can of the average electrical power the pulse motor is consuming and then convert that into the average energy per pulse.

Here is what you check:

Battery energy per pulse = resistive losses per pulse + mechanical energy per pulse + charging energy per pulse.

You can do this for different RPMs.  You would expect to see that at higher RPMs the proportional mechanical energy per pulse will increase because of the increasing air friction.

If your goal is to make the motor as efficient as possible in terms of RPM per unit of input power, then you want to figure out a way to keep the proportional charging battery energy per pulse as low as possible.  In other words you want as much of your battery energy to become mechanical energy that drives the rotor while having as little energy as possible going in to the back-EMF spike.

If your goal is to maximize the charging energy per pulse then eliminate the pulse motor all together and then just pulse a coil, sometimes called a "solid state Bedini."

I think the most interesting observation would be to measure the trend where for higher RPM you get proportionally less back-EMF spike power.  Hence if you want to design a Bedini motor to charge batteries as efficiently as possible, the actual RPM of the running motor is not a relevant variable.  You want to put as little mechanical energy into the rotor as possible and as much proportional energy as you can into the back-EMF spike.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Scorch:

Let's rearrange this equation:

Battery energy per pulse = resistive losses per pulse + mechanical energy per pulse + charging energy per pulse.

To:

Mechanical energy per pulse = battery energy per pulse - resistive losses per pulse - charging energy per pulse.

Note everything on the right side of the equation is easy to measure.  So you can easily derive and make a decent estimate of the mechanical energy per pulse.  So then a fun challenge would be to actually measure the mechanical energy per pulse with the spin-down test and then compare it with the calculated mechanical energy per pulse.  If the two values are say within +/-5% then it would give you confirmation that your measurements are good.

MileHigh

[synchro1]

@Milehigh,


Quote:


"All of the mechanical energy put into the rotor per pulse instantly becomes waste heat energy via the bearing and air friction".


Where does that leave an (evacuated)* frictionless levitating diametric neo magnet sphere spinner like mine? The asterisk denotes theoretical.


I can improve the BEMF recovery ratio higher then 30% by wrapping the power toroid coil conventionally; Tight with coil wires next to one another, rather then lash style. I realized the inferior lash design caused the Lenz delay with the output spiral, but the design does nothing to increase the efficiency of the power spiral compared to an ordinary Bedini style window coil.


Gadgetmall went OU with his piggyback output coil looped back to source SSG Bedini, although no one could understand why at the time. Placing the output coil six inches from the rotor at the end of a welding rod core caused the retardation in the output coil pole formation, and the consequent Lenz propulsion. I have noted at least five ways to accomplish this kind of "Lenz Delay Propulsion".


Milehigh's overly simplistic, pseudo scientific formulas are nothing but ivory tower egg head rubbish!


Here's my 100% certain formula: Lenz propulsion output coupled with BEMF recovery equals overunity!