GDS 3 KW generator runs on water

[MileHigh]

Chet:

So I take it that you agree that this is a scam?   I think that is what I am hearing from you in your posting.

The pdf on the Canadian web site says nothing about payment.

The pdf on the Mexican web site says:

PAYMENT METHOD
To keep cost down on our products we do not take Visa/Master Card. A 50% deposit is due
when placing an order and 50% due before delivery. Unless stock is available 100% payment
when ordering.

Back to your report on the phone call:

I'll be brief
No it does not run on the garden hose
the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts,  the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems
yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop
then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,He stated components can
be upgraded to extend this cycle time,  however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.

You can tell just by looking at the thing that if it actually worked it would reach thermal equilibrium in maximum one hour.  So it is completely nonsensical to state that it can run for 12 hours straight, and then needs a "cool down" period.  Complete and total bunk.

This is not an open source project ,this is a business man looking to sell units.

Assuming that you do believe that it is a scam because you won't speak to him anymore and you "got the message" from here and from other forums, how can you even state what you stated above?  He's a low life criminal.

This goes back to the same thing I posted to you earlier today:  If you want to be the "follow-up guy" then it is your duty to report the good and the bad when it comes to things like this.  If you take on that responsibility then you have to take on all the responsibility.

MileHigh

[ramset]

MH
I have never ever inferred in any way any where that I feel this is a scam
EVER


Never


NO


Also I have never ever encouraged anyone to Play with or use spoons in anyway, anywhere other then their intended utilitarian design function.


EVER !!!


As I have told you many times before The Dr, Savic Sonic Boiler project is on Hold
results were Overunity but not without electrolyte and not outside of error margins.


respectfully
Chet
PS
Please stay on topic.

[MarkE]

Tinsel
Thanks,


regarding Patent Numbers ,I did not ask .

Why not?  If they exist then it would make for important tangible evidence good or bad depending on whether the numbers check out and what's in the applications.  Why avoid seeking important verifiable information?

I actually felt bad for Mr.Potter ,some Jerk posted his device on 3 different "energy" forums
this weekend and then people started Buying it on Paypal....

Buyers didn't set-up his accounts, he / his company did.

After seeing Groundloops close up pics and comments at OUR as well as Luc's , Brad's and other comments here,The MO is self evident,i felt no need to pry any further [He knocked me onto my  heels with the three forum comment ]

It's obviously a battery in a box.

However I did feel the need to ask some duty cycle questions ,run times and design load questions [perhaps redundant but....?]


Ok
Mr.Potter sounds like a very genuine and sincere fellow that perhaps has gotten in a bit over his head with
just what his market will be,he received 1500 Emails on Sunday  and spent the entire day hosting phone calls...


I'll be brief
No it does not run on the garden hose

No it couldn't since they say a continuous connection to a water supply is optional.

the 5000 watt unit actually makes 7435 watts,  the excess runs the water pump and ancillary systems

No it does not.  There is not 7kW of power converter in the box.

yes it does run at design load 100% duty cycle for periods of 12 hrs nonstop

No it does not.  There is not 60kWh = ~216MJ ~1.9 USG gasoline equivalent stored in that box.

then must be cooled down for a few hours and run again up to another 12 hour cycle ,

Sure, if by  'cooled down' he means recharge the depleted batteries.

He stated components can
be upgraded to extend this cycle time,  however that would most likely raise the price
and is probably going to happen down the road.

This is another tell of the total BS that this guy is trying to sell.  In the same box that he claims to offer 5kW for 12 hours, IE 60kWh he claims to offer 15kW for 12 hours = 180kWh, enough to run 5kW for 36 hours.  Scammers who are too stupid to tell a consistent story are easy to expose.

He has a factory on a building schedule with delivery dates on or about Dec 15 2014
As mentioned he is excepting NO money upfront.

Except that he told you his paypal is live and took money.

there were persons over the weekend that  jumped on his Paypal 'Buy it know link"
he is remedying that with those folks.

Richard Willis style?

He stated that the machine is 100% money back guaranteed as advertised .
you can pick one up when he gets them in stock [no present inventory for sale]

Except that he stated on Ali Express that he has 400 in stock.  Which is the lie?  One the other or both?

I did mention his International patent issues [meeting with "that" lawyer this week]
presently only Canadian patents,as I said I did not ask for the specific patent info.

He began advertising in September.   If there were something useful to patent, outside the USA and Canada that ship sailed when he first advertised.  But since this is yet another battery in a box, there is nothing to patent.

In summary we have no request for money up front,  a 100% guarantee on "performs as advertised"
a running working prototype which performs "as advertised" ...
and no issues whatsoever with testing or demonstrating once product arrives from factory.

In summary he told you what you want to hear and you have chosen to ignore his self contradictions.  He did no t give you a single piece of tangible information that you could verify that supports his ridiculous claims.

also noted by others here alibaba seems to be running with this outside of The US ??

Alibaba is based in China, but the vendor is in absolute control of what they post to Alibaba.  He is no more detached from what's on Alibaba than Bob Rohner is responsible for what John Rohner has done.

This is not an open source project ,this is a business man looking to sell units
I will probably not be calling Mr.Potter  again,  we don't do business here nor will
we be needed for "proof" claims [so it seems at this point]

So far this is playing out like MagnaCoaster.  You have not obtained any information that improves their credibility.

However I do know some fellows that will be exploring the open source work previously associated with very similar claims in years past 


respectfully
Chet
PS
I will not be participating in any crystal ball anonymous scam claim nonsense .


my crystal ball is in the shop for repairs and this fellow is making every move possible to
Deliver as promised.

How can you draw such an unevidenced conclusion?  He has told you a story and given you can verify to support his extraordinary tale.

[MileHigh]

Chet:

Well then check out that normal distribution curve that I posted and look at the orange area.

As MarkE very aptly stated, it's a battery-in-a-box scam.

My comment about the time for thermal equilibrium is dead-on and that's the "38th" indicator that this is a scam.

MileHigh

[ramset]

Mark E
Have a nice day
I cannot spend the time to play with you  and the way you twist the content of my posts


***how the Heck did you turn a 12hr nonstop run time at 5000 watts continuous load into some Battery run nonsense???[just one example which jumped off the page before I stopped reading your post]



Nor will I participate in Crystal ball character assassination by anonymous individuals of a third Party Known person that is not here to defend himself.


MH
I will not be calling Mr.Potter back because I don't feel he will contribute to an Open source  replication attempt at this time .
however that could change.


Chet
ps
fellahs
Talk amoungst yourselves for a few days,if I have any relevant info I'll post it here