The new generator no effect counter B. EMF part 2 ( Selfrunning )

[gotoluc]

This looks very much like syairchairun device?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RauMRITF-uk&t=1m2s

[Dog-One]

This looks very much like syairchairun device?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RauMRITF-uk&t=1m2s

I'd say so Luc.  Bet the guts have been modified exactly the same as the Syair RamaGen being discussed here.

That's okay, while the squabble is going on, think I'll build one to heat my garage with;  all while being told it is a hoax and can't possibly work.   

If prisoners in Indonesia can do it, I should be able to also.

BTW, dragon over at Energetic Forum is having some success with his replication.
http://www.energeticforum.com/268465-post178.html

[Jimboot]

I'll be measuring on a scope next but here is the latest vid. http://youtu.be/PA3ZOk3kDFk, I can optimise the motor to run more lean with a more suitable drive coil, and I've been testing different coil setups based on some the feedback here and elsewhere, so thanks. I'm trying to work out what drives up the watts in this setup. I think the main variables would be
Rotor - do more poles mean more output? I think so if they are magnetically disconnected from each other.
I just like using what I have ATM as it nice and balanced.


Coil setup- I can't really compare to syairs setup but I'm getting all the action perpendicular to the rotor. So with a more open rotor system, that I could place coils either side of evenly spaced, could I double my output?


Core material - I really want to try paul babcocks steel shot idea. I've seen fire pinto use it too. He says it. Switches mag flux quicker than silicon steel. Anyone tried that? I,d actually want to work out how to better direct the pick up with it. The more you load behind a coil the more your voltage pick increases. I Think I want mushroom shaped cores.

[MileHigh]

Part 1 of 2:

I am well aware that the slow speed of the collapsing magnetic field has nothing to do with the propagation speed of the magnetic field. My point there was(think) speed up under load . Now what would happen to the rotor of a pulse motor if the magnetic field from the inductor was to remain longer ?-->yes,thats right,more push or pull on the rotors magnets for a longer period of time-->speed up under load

Now-the last quote of yours above.
This was a question i was asking TJ(and anyone else into pulsed inductor systems),it wasnt a question i was asking for my self. I am well aware that the magnetic field remains the same when the field is collapsing around the inductor when the inductors power supply is abruptly interupted. So no-no time travel there MH.

I must ask MH,do you believe that the delay of the lenz force is from extensive reserch you your self have done,or is it just because of what others tell you,or you have read in book's?. If the lenz force is created from current flowing through a generator coil(we are using a PM generator here as an example),and we can offset that current to the voltage across that generator coil,why then is the lenz force also not offset?.If the current is offset to the voltage,then so to is the lenz force offset to the voltage.

I would be more than happy to throw together a simple generator and show you lenz delay.First we could look at the power draw of the prime mover when loading the generator coil itself,and then we could look at the power draw of the prime mover with the lenz delay circuit in place.

Tinman, there is some ranting in this posting.   It's specifically directed at you, it's simply a generic rant about the usual issues around being a newbie playing with electronics.

I assume that you read the full new thread about the alleged "delayed Lenz effect" set up by Gotoluc.

There is no such thing as "speed up under load."  That has been covered many times already.

Now what would happen to the rotor of a pulse motor if the magnetic field from the inductor was to remain longer ?-->yes,thats right,more push or pull on the rotors magnets for a longer period of time-->speed up under load

If you have an inductor in place of the load resistor, the current waveform will change but big deal.  It will not cause "speed up under load."  You are just talking now with wishful thinking.  If you want to be serious you would have to do a setup and with your scope and create a timing diagram for what is happening including indicating when there is push or pull on the rotor on the timing diagram.  That is what electronics is all about - looking at timing diagrams and analysing and understanding them.  Without doing that your comments are all "just talk."

This was a question i was asking TJ(and anyone else into pulsed inductor systems),it wasnt a question i was asking for my self. I am well aware that the magnetic field remains the same when the field is collapsing around the inductor when the inductors power supply is abruptly interupted. So no-no time travel there MH.

Then why didn't you just state it?  I don't believe in "alternative" political correctness just like I don't believe in "standard" political correctness.  When it comes to electronics the truth is there right in front of your nose.

I must ask MH,do you believe that the delay of the lenz force is from extensive reserch you your self have done,or is it just because of what others tell you,or you have read in book's?. If the lenz force is created from current flowing through a generator coil(we are using a PM generator here as an example),and we can offset that current to the voltage across that generator coil,why then is the lenz force also not offset?.If the current is offset to the voltage,then so to is the lenz force offset to the voltage.

I am just going to repeat again that the real answer for someone that needs to investigate this for themselves is to construct a timing diagram and then analyse and understand it.   Two hours of work on the bench will be worth more than two years and thousands of incorrect posts and hundreds of incorrect replications of the "delayed Lenz effect."

Continued in part 2...

[MileHigh]

Part 2 of 2:

If the lenz force is created from current flowing through a generator coil(we are using a PM generator here as an example),and we can offset that current to the voltage across that generator coil,why then is the lenz force also not offset?.

You can take your "just words" and go on a bench and do an experiment where you do the full timing and analysis of that timing diagram and then come back and look at your words to see if they are "just words" or if they are valid and have substance.  Right now as far as I am concerned you are just repeating a "popular belief" that has infested the free energy forums for way too long.  I don't accept this and instead of blindly believing something the better thing to do is roll up your shirtsleeves and see if all of this "delayed Lenz" talk has any merit or if it is complete BS.

Did you see on Luc's new thread how the explanation for what was taking place was derived from looking at the actual data that he got from doing some experiments?

I must ask MH,do you believe that the delay of the lenz force is from extensive reserch you your self have done,or is it just because of what others tell you,or you have read in book's?

Tinman, the problem is not that I don't do experiments, the problem is that you guys either don't do experiments or you do experiments but you don't have the knowledge or experience to correctly understand what you are looking at.  Somebody makes a totally wrong conclusion and everybody believes them and agrees with them.  Part of the problem is that many of you are afraid to disagree with each other.  The other problem is that a newbie on a bench should be making timing diagrams for their circuits and then actually undertaking to understand what is going on.  How often do you see someone construct a timing diagram?

I would be more than happy to throw together a simple generator and show you lenz delay.First we could look at the power draw of the prime mover when loading the generator coil itself,and then we could look at the power draw of the prime mover with the lenz delay circuit in place.

I can envision this:  You do a pulse motor/generator and confirm the "delayed Lenz effect" and make your power measurements, etc.  But the job will not be done.  Go the next step and construct a timing diagram and understand the timing diagram.  That's the real deal and almost nobody ever does it.

It's simply ridiculous to say, "this is the delayed Lenz effect."  Do you understand where I am coming from?  The term "delayed Lenz effect" does not even exist in the real world of electronics and motors.

I have no doubt that you could show me the "delayed Lenz effect" but the real issue is what are you really looking at?  The challenge for you after you do your tests is to put together one or two paragraphs of text that describe what you are observing in the real language of electronics and not this fake imaginary language like "delayed Lenz effect."  There is an explanation for what you might be observing and it is guaranteed to be 100% conventional and 100% explainable using 100% standard electronics terms.

And there are no special or "magical" benefits to the "delayed Lanz effect."   It's all just REAL, and the challenge for every experimenter in alternative energy is to master the basics of electronics if you want to play with electronics.  You think that you can do something that is "amazing" and "out of the ordinary?"  If so, prove to yourself that you really and truly know what you are doing first.

MileHigh